The future of the Forex industry - page 76

 
Evgeniy Chumakov:


What are they supposed to do seriously? Apart from improving the lives of their citizens.

For example, conduct independent politics.

 
khorosh:

Norway, like other European countries, are puppets in the hands of the world hegemon. They cannot do anything serious without looking to him.

But, they have created almost communism as we understand it. And without looking around, they have placed a trillion in shares of other countries and companies and funds.

 
Aleksey Nikolayev:

It should be like ancient Athens. The choice is not a vote, but a random draw (the will of the gods). Also, there should be the institution of ostracism, when any deserving figure could be sent into exile, if he just bored everyone).

But we forget that even in Athens you couldn't get to the archons from the street.

Ostracism exists now in the form of impeachment.

 
Yousufkhodja Sultonov:

But, they have created almost communism as we understand it. And without looking around, they have placed a trillion in stocks of other countries and companies and funds.

In terms of high living standards yes, but the fact thatmore than 20 thousandchildren are taken awayfrom their parents inNorway in a year- is that such communism? I wouldn't want to live under such communism).

 
Evgeniy Chumakov:


And independent politics according to you is to please you, and if you don't please you, puppets. Concrete logic.

Don't think for me and attribute your thoughts to me.

 
transcendreamer:

But we just forget that even in Athens you couldn't get into the archons from the street anyway.

Generally true, but it depends on the era - in the classical era, too, they were elected by lot and had virtually no real power.

Transcendreamer:

Ostracism is there now in the form of impeachment.

Ostracism is an act of direct democracy that could be applied to anyone (useful if there are 'grey cardinals') at almost any point in time)

Impeachment is a convoluted bureaucratic procedure, very difficult to implement.

 
vladavd:
Interesting, I'll read on. Clearly the idea must be a hundred years old, too on the surface. All the more strange that it has not been developed, apparently there are some non-obvious disadvantages of this approach. At first glance we can assume unpopularity because of the broad masses, who will be offended (albeit fairly) defeated in the voting rights due to low intelligence and morality. Where did the adjustment go?

The obvious disadvantage is that this approach (Plural Voting) too obviously puts the opinion of some people above others, which causes resentment.

Although most would probably agree that the opinion of an unemployed homeless junkie is clearly less valuable than that of another more respectable citizen.

It used to be the case in some US states that vagrants were not allowed to vote, for example.

Indirectly, the lack of universal suffrage is overcome by voting for electors, but not everyone agrees that this is a good thing either.

The crowd often or almost always votes for the most populist things, so universal suffrage democracy is flawed.

Was it unlikely that every single citizen in Britain was capable of adequately assessing the effect of Brexit on a par with the experts?

Thus we come to the idea of epistocracy = the power of the trusted, or the power of the intelligent.

A prime example of why this is important in Russia: the politically illiterate population consistently votes for the same Tsar every time.

It turns out that millions of bubkes and public sector workers and characters with cotton wool instead of brains determine how the country should live, it is illogical.

Voting on amendments was also a prime example: zombie TV explained "what is good" and everyone obediently voted "as it should be".

It's an imperfect democracy, badly imperfect, something needs to be corrected...

Some social philosophers of the day, Thomas Mulligan and others have spoken out in favour of epistocracy.

Voting rights have to be earned, they say, not free.

 
transcendreamer:

A prime example of why this is important in Russia: the politically illiterate population consistently votes for the same Tsar every time....

Who do you think they should vote for? Do you see a candidate?

 
transcendreamer:

Voting rights should be earned, they say, not free.

Here's a good idea! Voting should cost 10k per voter. If you want to vote, vote. You don't get a packet of buckwheat and a lollipop for ticking a box.

 
transcendreamer:

The obvious disadvantage is that this approach (Plural Voting) too obviously puts the opinion of some people above others, which causes resentment.

Although most would probably agree that the opinion of an unemployed homeless junkie is clearly less valuable than that of another more respectable citizen.

It used to be the case in some US states that vagrants were not allowed to vote, for example.

Indirectly, the lack of universal suffrage is overcome by voting for electors, but not everyone agrees that this is a good thing either.

The crowd often or almost always votes for the most populist things, so universal suffrage democracy is flawed.

Was it unlikely that every single citizen in Britain was capable of adequately assessing the effect of Brexit on a par with the experts?

Thus we come to the idea of epistocracy = the power of the trusted, or the power of the intelligent.

A prime example of why this is important in Russia: the politically illiterate population consistently votes for the same Tsar every time.

It turns out that millions of bubkes and public sector workers and characters with cotton wool instead of brains determine how the country should live, it is illogical.

Voting on amendments was also a prime example: zombie TV explained "what is good" and everyone obediently voted "as it should be".

It's an imperfect democracy, badly imperfect, something needs to be corrected...

Some social philosophers of the day, Thomas Mulligan and others have spoken out in favour of epistocracy.

Voting rights need to be earned, they say, not given away for free.

The chick of Soros's nest.