Offtopic: Stealing Aleynikov or how arbitration is done ;-) - page 4

 
timbo >> :

That is, stealing software from Goldman is one thing; you approve of that, and the person who steals it automatically becomes a hero. But stealing the battery from your car is another thing, you can't steal it, you're a disgraceful bitch. That's proletarian justice.

It's not uncommon for youths and teenagers here to complain about the cuisines of the dc to change to "how to fuck with the dc" on the next page.

 
timbo >> :

I'm afraid it gets worse. The guy was probably put up to it by his friends at the start-up. Why on earth would they promise him a million two hundred when his level specs work for 400? If it was just a job transfer, they would have offered him 10-20% more. I'd venture to guess that the theft could be a condition of employment.

It's quite possible...

 

all the fuss is because of american hacker phobia.

They equate hacking with terrorism in terms of severity.

They should have settled everything in civil court without any fuss and simply sued for the amount stipulated in the contract for non-disclosure of privileged information.

 
kombat >> :

It's quite possible too...

The most likely option. Plus revenue sharing from MTS, otherwise there's not much point.

 
timbo >> :

That is, stealing software from Goldman is one thing; you approve of that, and the person who steals it automatically becomes a hero. But stealing the battery from your car is another thing, you can't steal it, you're a disgraceful bitch. So much for "proletarian justice".

Yeah, but the analogy doesn't illuminate the situation in a comprehensible way. You could have come up with a better one.

Fuck you and your labels. I do not approve of him, but I would not call him a thief in this situation either. Since Americans themselves in this situation would not be stupid, they would try to steal. And then, having become a millionaire (billionaire), they will invent a wonderful tale about a resourceful entrepreneur.

But a real Kraut, for example, would have acted strictly in accordance with the letter of the contract and taken nothing at all. And upon learning of such a situation he would be greatly outraged. But he would not say "thief". (I rather belong to that category).

And you timbo, reflecting like you've got a lifelong allergy to the population of post-union territories.

 
gip >> :

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Because the Americans themselves in such a situation would not be fools to try to steal, either.

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A real kraut, for example, would do

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a lifelong allergy to the population of post-union territories.

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But please don't paint everyone with the same colour.

I'm collecting material for my PhD in psychology on the link between infantilism in adults and schizophrenic phobias.

 
timbo >> :

I'm collecting material for a PhD in psychology on the link between infantilism in adults and schizophrenic phobias.

That's a good one.

 
timbo >> :

But please don't paint everyone with the same colour.

I'm doing a PhD in psychology on the relationship between adult infantilism and schizophrenic phobias.

Yeah, and you're collecting material on this forum :))) Go for it, doc...

 

Can I say something, too?

As a programmer, I would be a Godsend to advocate for all sorts of payments for rights, etc. and to shout the loudest against intellectual property thieves. And I would shout the loudest against the thieves of intellectual property. But I, being a reasonable person, I think, have thought long and hard about the issue of copy protection. Starting with the fact that I built the best anti-copying system in the world (at that time). It was a good reason to think over everything from philosophy to technology.

I say that the value of the software should be determined by the cost of copying it. That is for free. Why because it cannot be otherwise. You can make laws and feed law enforcement bodies - FBI for example - as much as you like. But all this leads to the same place where utopian socialism of Stalin-Lenin type led us. You can't replace and remake nature's laws. IT'S GOING TO BACKFIRE.

How do you make money by creating software? Who will pay the programmer? YES I DON'T KNOW. But everything must be within the limits of natural laws. Nature gave us something like "absolute maker" for copying software. We have to adapt to it, and not throw sand in the wheels of progress. It reminds of the time of the Inquisition.

Imagine that an "absolute maker" was invented which allows you to copy any object. The cost of such a process is the cost of electricity. You know, shit like a microwave. Put a laptop in there, close the door, press the copy button. Opened the door, took the laptop out. Closes the door again, presses the "release" button. And you can stamp all the laptops you want.

It's kind of like a photocopier for things. AND WHAT!? Also prohibit it, like what about the engineers who created this laptop? I DON'T KNOW. We have to think! Not banning.

You can't slow down progress. And the americans think that the easiest way is the best way. Fuck that. If you stop progress, you'll end up with revolution or collapse. That's what China has become.

To understand that there is a way out, look at the print media - newspapers. They make money.

So the americans are stupid again as usual. :)

 
SProgrammer >> :

So the americans are stupid again as usual. :)

Apparently you're not a commercial programmer. If you created a really marketable product, you wouldn't care about imperfect mechanisms, you'd welcome any help to protect your rights. Even reducing the piracy of your product from 99% to 98% is already doubling the dirty money that can be used to develop the product or to treat a sick relative. So there has to be intellectual property protection. The Americans are better at it. And in russia... Someone was bawling his head off the other day, saying that if he paid for the internet, he was entitled to all the software, watch all the movies and listen to music... ...and he's a moron, in a word... I won't generalize :)