The future of the Forex industry - page 100

 
Aleksey Nikolayev:

Legend has it that a collapse should follow soon after even the shoe cleaners are interested in the market) In my opinion, that moment has long since arrived in crypto)

agree

wait for it

 
transcendreamer:

This was described and even foreshadowed by Orwell. A famous trait of the Soviet man, to which he devoted much attention in 1984, is the so-called doublethink. All Soviet people understood what had to be said. It was such a common construct and, in fact, a certain unifying factor.

You and Fedoseyev simply thought that if I criticized wild capitalism, then I was necessarily a supporter of the socialism that existed in the Soviet Union. But one does not follow from the other. That is your miscalculation. And now, realizing your mistake, you are inventing some kind of "doublethink" to get away with it).

 
khorosh:

You and Fedoseyev have simply assumed that if I criticise savage capitalism, then I am necessarily a supporter of the socialism that was under the USSR. But one does not follow from the other. That is your miscalculation. And now, realizing your mistake, you come up with some "doublethink" to get away with it).

Can I ask you a question? What republic were you living in before the collapse?

 
benzovoz:

Can I ask you a question? Before the collapse, what republic were you living in?

In Kyrgyzstan. When the collapse happened, I returned to Russia.

 
khorosh:

In Kyrgyzstan. When the collapse happened, I went back to Russia.

Did he come back mean that he did not live in Kyrgyzstan forever? Let me explain why I am asking. The collapse of the union was a good thing for Russia, because most of the republics were subsidised freeloaders, and ungrateful ones at that. That is why I have always been for the collapse, hand and foot, because I always understood and knew it. The whole pile was being pampered and groomed at the expense of what was squeezed from the inhabitants of the RSFSR. Why do we need such an accordion? That's why I kind of thought that only those who didn't live in Russia could feel sorry for the collapse. At the same time, I myself was born in Transcaucasia, and I had parents and relatives there. I managed to persuade them all to move to Russia more or less in time. Many friends and relatives I tried to convince in 90s did not believe there would be a collapse, they stayed there and had to leave urgently, wearing only pants and everything. This is a tragedy of course, but who can blame them? But today, when the Ameris and the Arbs tried to pull the same oil stunt as the one that failed the union, it did not work and the Arabs themselves almost croaked. Why? Because Russia is not a sovok with a bunch of freeloaders, it is not the colossus on clay feet.) And it's not the merit of the current government either, it's the merit of Russia's resources and capitalism in the same Russia. The union was killed off by an ugly system and, most importantly, by an ugly creature called the gosplan. Well, thank Allah, I am very happy about that.

 
khorosh:

You and Fedoseyev have simply assumed that if I criticise savage capitalism, then I am necessarily a supporter of the socialism that was under the USSR. But one does not follow from the other. That is your miscalculation. And now, realizing your mistake, you are making up some kind of "doublethink" to get away with it).

Not at all, doublethink is inherent in you not only in this, but also in the way you have encroached on the profits of the enterprise, while sharply retreating when the losses should be covered.

That is the essence of socialist and homo soveticus psychology - a selective view of things - and as we have seen the main goal is the same: to profit at the expense of the richer.

If the USSR is so dear to you and you mentioned sacrifice and all that before, let me ask: what have you personally done to save the USSR?

Did you take part in the Osh events? Did you go to rallies in Moscow?

 
benzovoz:

Back means you didn't live in Kyrgyzstan forever? Let me explain why I am asking. The collapse of the union was a good thing for Russia, as most of the republics were subsidised freeloaders, and ungrateful ones at that. That is why I have always been for the collapse, hand and foot, because I always understood and knew it. The whole pile was being groomed and groomed at the expense of what was squeezed from the inhabitants of the RSFSR. Why do we need such an accordion? That's why I kind of thought that only those who didn't live in Russia could feel sorry for the collapse. At the same time, I myself was born in Transcaucasia, and I had parents and relatives there. I managed to persuade them all to move to Russia more or less in time. Many friends and relatives I tried to convince in 90s did not believe there would be a collapse, they stayed there and had to leave urgently, wearing only pants and everything. This is a tragedy of course, but who can blame them? But today, when the Ameris and the Arbs tried to pull the same oil stunt as the one that failed the union, it did not work and the Arabs themselves almost croaked. Why? Because Russia is not a sovok with a bunch of freeloaders, it is not the colossus on clay feet.) And it's not the merit of the current government either, it's the merit of Russia's resources and capitalism in the same Russia. The union was killed off by an ugly system and, most importantly, by an ugly creature called the gosplan. Well thanks Allah, I am very happy about that.

At last an adequate reasonable opinion!

 
khorosh:

You and Fedoseyev have simply assumed that if I criticise savage capitalism, then I am necessarily a supporter of the socialism that was under the USSR. But one does not follow from the other. That is your miscalculation. And now, realizing your mistake, you are inventing some kind of "doublethink" to get away with it).

A frantic search for the meaning of the existence of the USSR.

 
benzovoz:

Back means you didn't always live in Kyrgyzstan? Let me explain why I am asking. The collapse of the union was a good thing for Russia, as most of the republics were subsidised freeloaders, and ungrateful ones at that. That is why I have always been for the collapse, hand and foot, because I always understood and knew it. The whole pile was being pampered and groomed at the expense of what was squeezed from the inhabitants of the RSFSR. Why do we need such an accordion? That's why I kind of thought that only those who didn't live in Russia could feel sorry for the collapse. At the same time, I myself was born in Transcaucasia, and I had parents and relatives there. I managed to persuade them all to move to Russia more or less in time. Many friends and relatives I tried to convince in 90s did not believe there would be a collapse, they stayed there and had to leave urgently, wearing only pants and everything. This is a tragedy of course, but who can blame them? But today, when the Ameris and the Arbs tried to pull the same oil stunt as the one that failed the union, it did not work and the Arabs themselves almost croaked. Why? Because Russia is not a sovok with a bunch of freeloaders, it is not the colossus on clay feet.) And it's not the merit of the current government either, it's the merit of Russia's resources and capitalism in the same Russia. The union was killed off by an ugly system and, most importantly, by an ugly creature called the gosplan. Well, thank Allah, I am very happy about that.

Yes, you are right in many respects, very reasonable thoughts. Indeed, my negative attitude towards the collapse was influenced by the fact that I had to change my place of residence. I was born, brought up and educated in Russia. I ended up in Kyrgyzstan after 3 years of service in the navy, where I ended up after graduating from university. I was attracted to Bishkek because a new computer factory was being built there which suited me as a radio engineer. At that time, the employees of the new plants were given flats, but I already had a family and the question of housing was acute for me. With the collapse, it is true that Russia, to a certain extent, one could say, threw off the yoke. But republics such as Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan could hardly be seen as freeloaders. Russia was deprived of many plants and production facilities, of which there were no duplicates on its territory. They had to set up and build replacements in Russia. Well, the main pain of the disintegration were the victims of ethnic clashes. No matter what you say, human lives are the most precious thing we have.

 

I am not a Kyrgyz historian, but even a cursory glance at the massacre that took place between Kyrgyz and Uzbeks makes it clear that

  1. it happened before the collapse of the USSR
  2. The preconditions for the conflict were laid exactly by short-sighted decisions of Soviet functionaries