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C-4:

Do you want 17? Revolution is the end for our country. We know, we've been there. Scum like the current government of Georgia will come to power. And to wish for it to be like in Georgia is to hate Russia. Release terrorists from prisons and call them freedom fighters, turn black into white, rewrite history books, annul legitimate elections. People like you are terrorists - people who will stop at nothing and will go to the barricades, kill and blow up for the "high goal". History repeats itself. It was not workers and peasants who made the revolution of 17, but such students, intellectuals and "sympathizers". It was they who blew up people and committed the most heinous crimes in terms of ordinary human morality. I know history, and personally I will do everything in my power to prevent another 17th year. If I have to take a gun in my hand and shoot the orange scum - I will take it and I will shoot without regret, because if I don't, it will be much worse.

The empty rhetoric of an overpaid metropolitan resident who hasn't been to Russia in a decade or so.
 
IgorM:
The empty rhetoric of an overprivileged metropolitan who hasn't been to Russia in about a decade.

By the way, it is mainly the hinterland of Russia that votes for P., which is so different from "gluttonous" Moscow and St. Petersburg. What do you know about the Russia you are trying to write about? It wasn't people from the provinces who were standing on Bolotnaya. Those very ordinary, poor people are fed up with the upheavals, the revolutions, the slogans for "fair elections," and so on and so forth. People are tired of the empty talk of people like you. They're waiting for help, handouts from the government, they are waiting for a strong government, so that "they know better what to do". P, more than anyone else, fulfills these expectations, so he is at 60%. This thread is a prime example of empty talk and hamster indignation. 660 pages of crap and not a single constructive suggestion or challenge to the existing order or authority. As long as your alternative movement is a bunch of rabble rousers sponsored by American non-profits, P. will get his 60%. The problem is not his rating, the problem is that there is no adequate alternative to the so-called "Putin course". Are you seriously suggesting that scribbling shit on the pages of this forum is an alternative?

 

We need to separate the issue of opposition activism from that of political top change. The Russian opposition in its current state is the embryo of a real political force speculating on the discontent of some part of the people. I see a replacement of the president as a necessary part of the renewal/rejuvenation of Russia's political system. If there is no change, there will be stagnation, stable stagnation.

And as for guns and shooting, you are talking out of your ass. No one forbids you to join the army by contract and serve in hotspots.

 
C-4: By the way, it is mainly the hinterland of Russia that votes for Putin, which is so different from the "greedy" Moscow and St. Petersburg.

In "deep" Russia, it is easier to put pressure on people, many cities live off a couple of businesses, and there is no reason to quit the only job in town for a fair election

What do you know about the Russia you are trying to write about?

How long have you been in Russia? Not so much to fly to Sochi, but to stay in a small town for a couple of days?

It's not people from the provinces who are standing on Bolotnaya.

It's more difficult and dangerous to go to Moscow than to Turkey, you can lose money and health without getting off the train station, and who the police or station cops are more afraid of. Don't mention rallies in the capital city, use your head. Rallies in the provinces are also fraught, see above + people disappear all of a sudden, even the police can't find where the undesirable have gone...

They are waiting for help and handouts from the state. They are waiting for a strong government that "would know better what to do".

The people do not expect anything from the government, it only prevents them from working and earning money - there is enough time to "bow before the government".

The problem is not his rating, the problem is that there is no adequate alternative to the so-called "Putin's course.

There really is no alternative, they have been exporting the country abroad for 20 years and will continue to do so, as the countryside is dying out
 
The decades of communism have taught people to act at their own risk, have taught them how to make complex and ambiguous decisions, and have deprived them of entrepreneurial initiative. The people want only one thing, that there would be order, that there, "above", would help them and solve their "tragedy of the little man". If the utilities providers are bastards and do not want to change a burst water pipe, where do these people turn? Neither to a deputy in their municipality, nor to the executive branch on the ground, they turn to Him, to the very man at the top, in the Kremlin, who knows exactly what to do. It is something akin to love for one's Tsar. No matter how ugly local officials may be, but there is a man at the very top of the ladder, who understands everything, knows everything and will definitely help, if you only go as far as the Tsar. The high ratings of one single person are a consequence of this. People want a king above them who understands everything, knows everything and, if anything, will quickly crack down on local officials.
 
C-4:
The decades of communism have taught people to act at their own risk, have taught them how to make complex and ambiguous decisions, and have deprived them of entrepreneurial initiative. The people want only one thing, that there would be order, that there, "above", would help them and solve their "tragedy of the little man". If the utilities providers are bastards and do not want to change a burst water pipe, where do these people turn? Neither to a deputy of their municipality, nor to the local executive. They appeal to Him, the very man at the very top, in the Kremlin, who knows exactly what to do. It is something akin to love for one's Tsar. No matter how ugly local officials may be, but there is a man at the very top of the ladder, who understands everything, knows everything and will definitely help, if you only go as far as the Tsar. The high ratings of one single person are a consequence of this. People want a king above them who understands everything, knows everything and, if anything, will quickly crack down on local officials.
Indeed, in Russia, the people (the majority of the population) are in tune with the Tsar, who knows everything, understands everything, is united in a single person and the head of state and the spiritual father and the yardstick of legality, etc. But don't forget that Russia has been a secular state since Peter the Great. The people accept, and the authorities promote, through formal institutions, Eurocentric bills, new "Western" trends, trends concerning almost all aspects of people's lives in society. I do not want a bloody regime, nor do I want a gerontocracy, nor do I want American-style pseudo-democracy. I personally want a tsar, but not that one. I don't know what people think, because I don't trust official social statistics.
 
C-4:

You read too much into it, and even more you try to "guess" for yourself and for people, just try to look around you with an open mind. Your speculations about uneducated people are at least 10 years too late, people in Russia have long been watching a hundred TV channels and surfing the Internet from primary school students to pensioners, many people go abroad to vacation, while you are raving about some kind of tsar and other bullshit. People want to live like in Europe, and leave the czar to the capitals.

 

Вы давно выезжали в Россию? не так - пролететь с ветерком в Сочи, а пожить пару-тройку дней в небольшом городишке?

I advise you to give up the unhealthy habit of labelling. You don't know who I am or what I do for a living, whether I polish my nails in my mansion or live with my wife and child in a Petersburg communal flat in one of Petersburg's slum areas. What right do you have to judge some and applaud others? On what grounds do you claim that "you don't know the real life, you greedy Muscovite"? The mere fact that you live in the periphery doesn't give you the right to speak out about the aspirations of ordinary people and divide people into "ours, or those who are against the government" and "overgrown freaks", or those who, sorry to say, do not share your opinion.

 
C-4:
Decades of communism have taught people to act at their own risk, have taught them how to make complex and ambiguous decisions, and have deprived them of entrepreneurial initiative. The people want only one thing, that there would be order, that the people "above" would help them and would solve their "tragedy of the little man". If the utilities providers are bastards and do not want to change a burst water pipe, where do these people turn? Neither to a deputy in their municipality, nor to the local executive. They appeal to Him, the very man at the very top, in the Kremlin, who knows exactly what to do. It is something akin to love for one's Tsar. No matter how ugly local officials may be, but there is a man at the very top of the ladder, who understands everything, knows everything and will definitely help, if you only go as far as the Tsar. The high ratings of one single person are a consequence of this. People want a king above them who understands everything, knows everything and, if anything, will quickly crack down on local officials.

You are talking about a topic.

A topic that is big, pressing and relevant to everyone.

But you're saying it wrong and in the wrong way.

 
DhP:

But you say the wrong thing and the wrong way.

Justify why I should talk about it the way those people on the Bolotnaya talk about it. Why should I talk about this topic "differently", "the right way". The right way means your way. The right way means you have to talk shit on the forum and rant about the illegitimacy of existing elections.