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I believe intuitive trading is, if not impossible, then very difficult to implement. By definition.
Let's imagine such a wonderful scenario: intuition - trade - growing deposit. The growing deposit is a well-defined material evidence of manifested intuition. Moreover, it is an evidence of positive intuition (relative to the deposit). Why is such a bias in the positive direction? Was it an accident? A genetic anomaly? Or is it not an intuition but the manifestation of an initially controlled effort directed towards the growth of the deposit?
If someone tends to think that intuition is more often right than wrong (in the case of a deposit it more often increases it, less often decreases it), then I advise to think that nature (or god) would not leave a holy place empty - surely there would be a species that exploited this "rightness", the "positive" orientation of someone's intuition, thereby benefiting from its "leftness", the "negative" orientation.
In a nutshell, my opinion is that intuition, while uncontrolled by a willful effort, remains neutral (wrong as often as it is right) towards everything, including a trader's deposit.
I advise to write MTS, colleagues.
In any case, good luck to all!
I believe that intuitive trading is, if not impossible, then very difficult to implement. By definition.
Imagine a wonderful event: intuition - trade - growing deposit. The growing deposit is a well-defined material evidence of manifested intuition. Moreover, it is an evidence of positive intuition (relative to the deposit). Why is such a bias in the positive direction? Was it an accident? A genetic anomaly? Or is it not an intuition but the manifestation of an initially controlled effort directed towards the growth of the deposit?
If someone tends to think that intuition is more often right than wrong (in the case of a deposit it more often increases it, less often decreases it), then I advise to think that nature (or god) would not leave a holy place empty - surely there would be a species that exploited this "rightness", the "positive" orientation of someone's intuition, thereby benefiting from its "leftness", the "negative" orientation.
In a nutshell, my opinion is that intuition, while uncontrolled by will, remains neutral (wrong as often as it is right) towards everything, including a trader's deposit.
I advise to write MTS, colleagues.
In any case, good luck to all!
It is both so and not so.
It is not, because no system can fully qualify itself. For a full qualifying assessment, one needs to look at the system from the outside. You need a different (more general) system, a qualitatively different point of reference, you need dualism. It makes no sense to talk about intuition without fully understanding what it is. In my previous posts I (who knows why) tried to show a more general position. When applied to this subject, it is higher forms of consciousness (this is not an invention or daydream, this is reality, although little known and not officially recognized (but already recognized) by contemporary science).
It is so simply a fact of events. For the vast majority of people, it's not an issue at all. It certainly is, simply because no matter how much the average user sits in front of the monitor, nothing but fatigue and ruined vision will be achieved.
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Dolly.
The difference between "so" and "not so" begins where the sure boundaries between forms of consciousness end. One person very familiar with the issue says that forms of consciousness are discrete and the transitions between them are continuous. I tend to think so too. But the very definition of "continuous transition" suggests a non-zero boundary between forms of consciousness, some boundary state of some duration. So a natural question arises: what are the properties of the boundary zone? Including, what place in this zone is assigned to intuition? The duration of this zone ... according to what criterion? By the quality of perception of reality? Or by the depth of understanding? Or by the quantity of experience?
We do not know exactly, but there are reasons to think that the synchronicity of experience and values. If a man with one foot is "there", but with desires is still "here", then there starts a scramble. It is like a state of milk, not already raw but not yet boiled. It is not a caterpillar, but not yet a butterfly. It is the state of a chrysalis, remembering and knowing only caterpillar values, but already feeling its wings. It is a very dangerous and painful state. And, in its essence, it is not just a physical sensation, but a certain group of phenomena spread throughout your sinful (physical consciousness) life. It is the collapse of your business, it is nervousness for any reason or no reason, it is your thoughts running from one extreme to another, it is tense relations with the people around you, the closer you get, the tenser it is, it is uncontrollable control of events... And you're not happy about this fucking intuition, because you can't control it anyway, given your limited physical awareness, but it's ready to obey and you reach for it, ... but you can't get anything except elephants merrily trampling your still-existing values:) It's a very painful process, which is why many have backed down. But not all have.
I've said before that conscious intuition management is very dangerous, I can only repeat that now. All forex is just child's play compared to these elephants. So I agree with the conclusion "I advise you to write MTS, colleagues".
That's it. No more on this subject - no more. Otherwise the moderators of this forum will chase me away and they'll be right:).
In a nutshell, my opinion is that intuition, being uncontrollable by a volitional effort, remains neutral (wrong as often as it is right) in relation to everything in existence, including the trader's deposit.
I advise to write MTS, colleagues.
In any case, good luck to all!
It is both so and not so.
It is not, because no system can fully qualify itself. For a full qualifying assessment, one needs to look at the system from the outside. You need a different (more general) system, a qualitatively different point of reference, you need dualism. It makes no sense to talk about intuition without fully understanding what it is. In my previous posts I (who knows why) tried to show a more general position. In relation to this subject, it is the higher forms of consciousness (this is not an invention or daydream, this is reality, although little known and not officially recognized (but already recognized) by contemporary science).
It is so simply a fact of events. For the vast majority of people it is not an issue at all. It is certainly true, simply because no matter how much the average user sits in front of the monitor, nothing but fatigue and ruined vision will be achieved.
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Dolly.
The difference between "so" and "not so" begins where the sure boundaries between forms of consciousness end. One person very familiar with the issue says that forms of consciousness are discrete and the transitions between them are continuous. I tend to think so too. But the very definition of "continuous transition" suggests a non-zero boundary between forms of consciousness, some boundary state of some duration. So a natural question arises: what are the properties of the boundary zone? Including, what place in this zone is assigned to intuition? The duration of this zone ... according to what criterion? By the quality of perception of reality? Or by the depth of understanding? Or by the quantity of experience?
We do not know exactly, but there are reasons to think that the synchronicity of experience and values. If a man with one foot is "there", but with desires is "here", then the scramble starts. Such a jumble, such "elephants in a china shop" start! It is like the state of milk, not wet, but not yet boiled. It is not a caterpillar, but not a butterfly yet. It is the state of a chrysalis, remembering and knowing only caterpillar values, but already feeling its wings. It is a very dangerous and painful state. And, in its essence, it is not just a physical sensation, but a certain group of phenomena spread throughout your sinful (physical consciousness) life. It is the collapse of your business, it is nervousness for any reason or no reason, it is your thoughts running from one extreme to another, it is tense relations with the people around you, including the closer you get, the more tense they are, it is uncontrollable control of events... And you're not happy about this fucking intuition, because you can't control it anyway, given your limited physical awareness, but it's ready to obey and you reach for it, ... but you can't get anything except elephants merrily trampling your still-existing values:) It's a very painful process, which is why many have backed down. But not all have.
I've said before that conscious intuition management is very dangerous, I can only repeat that now. All forex is just child's play compared to these elephants. So I agree with the conclusion "I advise you to write MTS, colleagues".
That's it. No more on this subject - no more. Otherwise the moderators of this forum will chase me away and they'll be right:).
For a full qualification evaluation you need to look at the system from the outside. - I agree completely. However, I believe that we have a case where the outside view is not feasible for fundamental reasons. And the dualism is just there. But we cannot go beyond it in principle. Not because our knowledge and experience are weak, but because that's the way the world is structured. We can only take one point of view or another as the starting point and then try to explain the structure of the world from our point of view.
The way I am defending does not require a higher form of consciousness, is not supra-human, and does not require a qualitative change of reference point. And dualism does not disappear, which is where we begin. Let's face it, it's not an easy thing. We feel the difference between "so" and "not so". We take turns taking one viewpoint or the other. We choose what best explains how the world works.
I would very much like to believe that intuition is something quite powerful, its reasons are strong and its decisions are right. However, it may be that, in case you don't know where to start (insufficient knowledge and experience to solve the problem), nature has reserved an intuitive answer - "Go with the tambourine". :)
A full qualification assessment requires an outside view of the system. - I completely agree. However, I believe that we have a case where looking from the outside is not feasible for fundamental reasons. And there is a dualism here. But we cannot go beyond it in principle. Not because our knowledge and experience is weak, but because that's the way the world works. We can only take one point of view or another as the starting point and then try to explain the structure of the world according to our point of view.
The way I am defending does not require a higher form of consciousness, is not supra-human, and does not require a qualitative change of reference point. And dualism does not disappear. And so we begin. Let's face it, it's not an easy thing. We feel the difference between "so" and "not so". We take turns taking one viewpoint or the other. We choose what best explains how the world works.
I would very much like to believe that intuition is something quite powerful, its reasons are strong and its decisions are right. However, it may be that, in case you don't know where to start (insufficient knowledge and experience to solve the problem), nature has reserved an intuitive answer - "Go with the tambourine". :)
And the case is that and dualism is there, and we can't get out and that's the way the world works. These, quite fair, thoughts are limited by the qualitative, essential capabilities of physical consciousness. And as long as we stay within that framework, nothing will work out. If we lived 1000 years ago, we would think that to have a good harvest we should sacrifice a goat. The Inquisition also had a lot of arguments in favour of crusades, and the postulate that the earth is round had a very low rating at first. Nobody would have guessed 100 years ago that Newtonian physics was just a special case, and in the Middle Ages the French Academy of Sciences pronounced the verdict that "there are no meteorites, as stones do not fall from the sky".
These are all circumstantial arguments that prove nothing in our dialogue. I simply wanted to say that our faith is based on current accepted concepts, namely those that underpin society with the current level of development. The way you defend can only provide an answer, the basis for which is physical consciousness itself. But since the intuition is not an accessory of the physical consciousness, the true understanding of its essence is out of the question. Therefore our present conception of intuition (and of the order of the Universe in general) is only a question of belief. And one can believe in this or that, leaning on the attained common culture of society and one's own unique experience.
Thanks for interesting dispute, but it is better to stop it. Otherwise, we've really gone off-topic here...:).
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Well, the men have spoken...
And how do they compare with the post of a woman who happened to be knocked up here? Alas, very pale. Apart from Niroba, who found nothing better to do than write this vulgarity, all rushed to talk about intuition. Not just about intuition, but about the subject! How to use it in the Forex market? After ballistiki's post it sounds like a nail on the glass. Well, come on, it is understandable - in every post you can see a blatant materialism of the author.
Materialism is quite a worthy philosophy. Especially if you use it skillfully, honestly and consistently in shaping your own worldview. After all any known fact may be explained both in terms of materialistic and idealistic approach. Otherwise one of the points of view would have triumphed long ago.
Well, gentlemen materialists, I want very much to ask you what intuition is. You may discuss it, but nobody dares to say what it is. At least from your point of view.
Maybe if we were to find out what it is, we would find out that it does not exist at all (as itso thinks)? Or, as it should in your philosophy, you will find its material sources and mechanisms. And if so, it will probably be possible to program it. After all, any material phenomenon can be identified by the parameters through which it manifests itself, and at the same time measure it.
But it would be worse if it turns out that intuition has no material sources. Then it would either have to be admitted that intuition does not exist either (and this is very hard), or the philosophy would have to be changed. And that's even harder :-) I wonder who will choose what ?
So ?
PS. SK. What I wrote does not apply to you. I would only like to say that you keep talking about physical consciousness, implying by it something definite. But you didn't say WHAT even in your first post of this thread. And since even about mere consciousness, perceptions here are quite varied and even more vague, there's still a long way to go in understanding your posts. It would probably be worth saying what the difference is between consciousness and, for example, mind. And not only that.
There, the men have spoken ...
Well, the men have spoken...
And how do they compare with the post of a woman who happened to be knocked up here? Alas, very pale. Apart from Niroba, who found nothing better to do than write this vulgarity, all rushed to talk about intuition. Not just about intuition, but about the subject! How to use it in the Forex market? After ballistiki's post it sounds like a nail on the glass. Well, come on, it is understandable - in every post you can see a blatant materialism of the author.
Materialism is quite a worthy philosophy. Especially if used skilfully...
Greetings to all who showed interest and took the time to discuss this RIGHT topic ...
I should say at once that I am here - to participate and to put "my point" in "many dots" devoted to CLOSING of this branch... Though. it is not quite correct, I think... It looks approximately thus - WE ARE ALL concrete mathematicians and ANALYSTS and there is nothing here to make philosophy... "Not time - when the Native land is in danger"...
And the PHILOSOPHY - is very relevant to MTS ... Remember - because at the heart of writing MTS is to develop an ALGORITHM ... And every algorithm - nothing more than a mathematical model of human behavior - a trader - in an extreme situation at the time of the highest concentration of its thought process ...Remember in this regard (more precisely - excuse me - read) a statement of the World Chess Champion Mikhail Botvinnik (I simply chessed professionally in my life, it so happened) ... Here - this statement "Chess Art is ONE of the ARTICULAR forms of displaying the logical side of human thinking ... The same thing - the algorithm at the heart of MTS ... And nothing but an algorithm reflects a strategy (loyal or aggressive), tactics (pips or trend) and management of capital (all at stake or "a drop in the market and fill in along the way")...By the way - note that in the proposed MTS there is no hint at a description of systems in simple human language - ie what is their essence for the potential user (ie, nowhere are described contraindications ....There are no warnings when people go bungee jumping... Not that kind of adrenaline...They also "forget" to warn that blood may hit in the head and a hypertensive person may go blind from burst capillaries in the eyeball, and those whose immune system is weakened may simply tear off internal organs and a person may die of internal bleeding)...But what a rush - to fly down and get back up on a rubber bungee!
Now I'll be very clear ... All my posts were not just LA-LA to keep the conversation going ...
When you buy or order an MTS, a trader must KNOW WHAT he WANTS ... Simply WANTING MONEY is stupid ... You have to know yourself ... Your temperament, your reaction, your health (so as not to get a heart attack from losing your deposit) and the limit of your strength (not just financial). If you enter the market and put an order with a deposit of 1300 quid and 5000 quid ... went to Buy - went to sell... You are waiting too long... The minus is equal to 1300 quid... Personally, I - with my logic - close this minus with a steady hand....But not because I "have - a tremendous amount of money ... It's just I personally think so - you can take a risk within the limit of the size of the amount put up on the line ... This - the amount of the deposit ... (You can not, come to the casino and lost with your brought money - continue to play on the house, which you had not brought with them to the casino and he left at home .... Simply, when you went to the casino, your brain was in NORMAL, not BACK (as they became in the casino at a loss)) And then - I will NEVER sell out a deposit with ONE ORDER.
How many traders think THAT way? Maybe - yes, maybe - no ... There are OPTIONS ...
"They decided to shoot in order to attract attention (white people have always done that when they got lost)... They shot and shot... And then they decided: "Ok, let's yell, but we have nothing to shoot with - we are out of arrows"...
So, you have to find your own style, and do not shoot (borrow thoughtlessly) - from others ...
So you see, this philosophical criterion just lies at the heart of any MTS and is its SCELLITE...
I personally really like everything that SKwrote. Wise man, that - a statement of thoughts that - their essence ... Especially in the last message, the collapse of the business and the lack of understanding - especially the people close to you ... Yes ... It's that price (bill) offers to pay life for the opportunity - to manage their intuition - to subordinate its signals ... In my life is (the loss of EVERYTHING) was - three times .... After the second (I was 28 years old) half of my head turned gray ... And I - did not go on ... Turned back ... Remained - a servant of intuition, not a Mistress ... Too high a price - when the time comes to pay for entry into the next phase of development (higher) ... I see that I have complicated ... Now decipher it ...
Simply, there are places in the world at the entrance to which imposed TABO ... And if a person has entered such a place, it (inside) included (or formed) MAGNIT, which begins to attract not only MONEY and MATERIAL goodness, but all the side effects associated with them. All the same as you buy a cool jeep and along with great feelings come expensive repairs and oil changes, fear that it will be stolen, broken down, tension from friends (let's go on a vacation in your car - rejection and - a quarrel about it).And the heightened attention of the police (traffic police) and the tax authorities - I'm already silent ...
Another nuance ... There is a concept in business - the MONEY BETTER ... It is associated just with the INCOME of money ... Ironically, many go crazy over the happiness and then they drain not only the INCOME but also what came before it ... So - not everyone is ready for money ...
I wrote that in my opinion - the world around us - it's chaos, not a coherent system ... But even in this chaos, there are periodic recurring events that accompany the event ...One needs just ATTENTION to notice and understand - why THIS happens ... Yes, yes, yes ... This is INTUITION ... And every person should SEE HIS INDIVIDUAL EVENT ... To make it clear, I will tell you about THESE...
Ever since my student years I began to notice that I often have a presentimenttvuya trouble ... It manifested as follows ... Suddenly my eyes fell just there, where after 10-15 seconds something bad happened - stumbled and fell down man, standing on the side of the car crashed passing by, someone torn bag and all her contents fell just in the dirt ... And then went more serious things ...When I came to my two friends (by visiting their company) I told them that their security system is very lax and they could be robbed...I advised one of them to put a lock on his inner door...He was robbed the same night...The others were robbed after a few days and a week...I was afraid for myself...I had a conversation with my psychic on the subject of whether I had a black eye. I got the following answer ... It turns out I have developed such an ability as to anticipate events - antipodes of success, profit, joy ... Moreover - without going into the essence of what is happening ... And my friends had to - just seriously consider the warning ...
Further - I noticed a moment ... We have an iron door at the entrance door and there is a lock which if you open it from outside and close it from inside - the liner flips and when you put the key in from outside you never know if you hold it right - or upside down.... So I do this ... I take out a bunch of keys, choose - from the entrance, bring it to the keyhole (at random) and, sharply turned 180 degrees - put it in the lock ... It always goes in from the first time ... In other words - I always stand in a negative for himself position ...
I continued to look for patterns of predicting situations ... I began to pay attention to my well-being and state before I had any trouble or something good in life ... Unfortunately.something good came spontaneously, without any "preface", but the problems always came "in front and behind - with two motorcyclists ... As the presidential cortege).
And the situation is like this - I don't feel any pain or problems, but I feel so nauseous that I don't want to live and the excitement is almost nauseating ...
And when I started working in Forex, I began to notice that almost all market entries were made in such a state, and I just surprisingly bumped into the end of the movement or a market reversal ... I consoled myself - it can not be ... I read analytics, build channels, support and resistance lines ...In short, as I NOW call it - I scooped unnecessary and stupid information, which, like ballast - sat in my brain and prevented me to think clearly and quickly, and I just looked for confirmation of the read analytical in every market movement, not wanting to trust my eyes and my brain ... They say "bad luck - it's a BAG FOR Stupidity" ...
So I decided to think so - if I always feel in danger to their (just not the deposit) and a financial situation (and this is not only related to trading on the stock exchange, then I must on the day of trading to know exactly the reliability of his situation in my otherz subjects and method of elimination, as a source of my anxiety - Forex ... Why so difficult?...To explain ... By my deep conviction intuition has a radius of action - this distance - in kilometres and time - in hours ... And the object of influence on me - quite tangible and real ... The exchange market with its computer version of presentation - does not fit under the concept of "object of influence" ... Just as the 25th Frame effect - is lost when overwriting or retranslating ...
Therefore - only the method of elimination remains...
So I traded on a demo account on the principle - I want to go BAY - then I go on a sell ... And - inconceivable - even if the trend was not guessed, the moment of entry into the market, I was ALWAYS plus in profit ... Whether it was 5 points or 30 points ... Even if then everything reversed. If trend continues, then I just re-enter the market again and again, and sometimes I gather movements of a thousand dollars in 4-5 runs at intervals of 15-20 pips, but with iron stops...
... And about the fact that I need to be a psychologist ... I've been a psychologist for a long time ... Otherwise I wouldn't have stayed in business for such a long time as 17 years and it's stable... It's not bragging... I just answered my own remark ...
Men ... You're all smart, educated and wise ... God give you understanding and prosperity - not only on the forums, but also in your relationships and in real life ...
With respect to all of you ... Angela.
I have an acquaintance from the Fidonet computer network. The man has increased his deposit about 30 times in the last year (from a thousand to about $30,000, and has withdrawn money several times, so it could actually be much more). No indicators - just a 1 or 5 minute chart with volumes in front of you, history for the last few hours.
The whole secret is in the special state it enters. As a master of NLP, I received information from him, which allows me to enter such a trance state, but I have not found time to repeat this state for myself (here we need to extract the description of the state, or rather, the most important points from the artistic description).
In our heads, we have the most powerful . So, my friend and I have been working on LSTM-networks for about a year (you can find on the Internet what neural networks based on LSTM technology are, but the articles are in English only, none of them is translated into Russian yet) - so far we have an expert giving 1000 points a year on any instrument, even on the ones the network has not been trained on. Our networks have from 200 to 1000 neurons, less than a jellyfish has. The human brain has 10 to 20 billion neurons, and much more information has been accumulated than can be invested in a computer neural network.
Moral - study neural networks, artificial intelligence, etc. I think sooner or later it will be possible to make a model of human "intuition" ;) After all, intuition is the ability to make correct decisions in the absence of formalisable information - a task just for a neural network.
...intuition is the ability to make good decisions in the absence of formalisable information - a task just for the neural network.
Intuition is the result of unconscious mental processes. Consequently, if awareness is increased, intuition becomes thinking.