Voluntary certification of programmers in the Work service - page 15

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OK, the last 2, answer the question "how does a customer choose a programmer on this site and not fall for an undercoder?" and post the answer at the top when you go to the "work" section. From the example given:

- performer rating: in the ranking that is available, I know for sure there are undercoders even in the first places =/ the scam is in full swing to the same.

- arbitration with reference history: not available, but I agree that the customer will not go for it, although in general terms the subject of the dispute can be described without any description of the strategy.

- Portfolio: this applies to things that can be felt quickly, unfortunately the strategy tester does not reveal most of the serious errors, and even the test on a demo account does not do it. These errors can only be seen by an experienced programmer.

 

Twice I've chosen, and all times I've come across specialists, one at the top of the ranking and one at the bottom, and both are savvy and experienced.

See my work.

I, for example, draw conclusions about a person when communicating, experience I guess!

They do not make a mistake - only he who does nothing, just some at the discovery of errors fall into hysterics, while some first check everything on the demo.

I have enough observations in the demo and on the quote; I don't care about the programmer's handwriting, I know the algorithm I need and I can follow the Expert Advisor's behaviour even if the tester doesn't show it.

Correction of an order is a normal phenomenon, for instance, when a suit is being tailored.

And for the correction there is a period in the process of work right in the scheme already in place.

Of course, if the ToR is adequate, although adequate ToR itself removes the number of fits.

 
IvanIvanov:

Order corrections are normal, e.g. when sewing a suit, yes 3 - try-ons happen

Excuse me, but a tailor does fittings to fit a figure, not to change the model. Any tailor will tell you to fuck off if at the next fitting you suddenly say that now I do not want these frills, and I want here zatyah.
 
Integer:
Sorry, but fitting a tailor makes to fit a figure, not to change in the model. Any tailor will tell you to fuck off if at the next fitting you suddenly say that now I do not want these ruffles, and I want this notch here.

And I'm talking about, don't give me any frills if you couldn't fit the shape the first time....... I have everything written in the terms of reference...... noticed this thing, not all programmers take the trouble to carefully study the terms of reference

With this approach any arbitrator will be on my side, although I never bring the situation to this.

I can give you a recommendation, print out your ToR on paper and cross out the executed points with a red felt-tip pen :-)

But make sure it's red :-) Just like at school.

Then any arbitration will be on your side, if at all....

Now in "Work" arbitration considers the situation only in the context of the TOR content

And the ToR are discussed before the final price is posted.

I don't see a problem at all for customers or programmers....

 
IvanIvanov:

And I'm talking about, don't give me any frills if you couldn't fit the shape the first time....... I have everything written in the terms of reference...... noticed this thing, not all programmers take the trouble to carefully study the terms of reference

With this approach any arbitrator will be on my side, although I never bring the situation to this.

I can give you a recommendation, print out your ToR on paper and cross out the executed points with a red felt-tip pen :-)

But make sure it's red :-) Just like at school.

If it says so in the terms of reference. If it doesn't, sorry, move over.
 
Integer:
If it is written in the assignment. If it is not written, then excuse me, move over.

I agree in principle, but you can even lose loyal customers that way.

And if it is written - but not done.....

I always prefer the way of compromise, at least - from my side is always ready, it's just the experience, but for some reason I always meet understanding contractors and professionals - karma probably :-) no misunderstanding arises!

 
IvanIvanov:

I agree in principle, but you can even lose loyal customers that way.

And if it is written - but not done.....

If it is written but not done - it should be enough to say that some point is not done.

You will lose clients. And why do you need such customers, for whom you work three times more than it is written in the task? You don't need such clients.

 
Integer:

If it is written but not done - it should be enough to point out that some point is not done.

Wasting clients. Why do you even need such clients, for whom you work three times more than written in the assignment? You don't need such clients.

Am I suggesting that you work three times as much? :-)

And on the first point I absolutely agree, but better a felt-tip pen, felt-tip pen, I can not know what has not been done, I have to check all ..... and still guess what has not been implemented ... and I'm not a programmer ... :-) but a programmer just needs to implement all the points of the TOR.... in my case

 
IvanIvanov:

1. Am I suggesting that you work three times as hard? :-)

2) And on the first point I absolutely agree, but it's better to use felt-tip pen, felt-tip pen, I can't know what is not done, I have to check all..... and still guess what is not implemented... :-) and the programmer just needs to implement all the points.... in my case

1. What does this have to do with me? We are talking about the general case. You're not suggesting, but hinting that if... then... all the customers will scatter. You're practically threatening, scaring, blackmailing, terrorizing potential contractors. Even if not, at least you are propagandizing this ideology. In fact, it's more common to have a different ideology - if you get some work done on a personal order, it's customary to tip you.

2. You know how in Alice?

Alice turns to the cat:

- tell me how to get there.

- where do you want to go?

- I do not care.

- then you don't care where you want to go

There's no way out - checking whether all the points have been made is on the shoulders of the client. No one can rule out a case where the doer will say they have done it but haven't actually done it.

 
MrGold166:

OK, the last 2, answer the question "how does a customer choose a programmer on this site and not fall for an undercoder?" and post the answer at the top when you go to the "work" section. From the example given:

- contractor rating: in the ranking that is available, I know for sure there are undercoders even in the first places =/ the cheating is in full swing in addition.

- arbitration with reference history: not available, but I agree that the customer will not go for it, although in general terms the subject of the dispute can be described without any description of the strategy.

- Portfolio: this applies to things that can be felt quickly, unfortunately the strategy tester does not reveal most of the serious errors, and even the test on a demo account does not do it. Only an experienced programmer can detect these errors.

OK, 1 first, here is my vision of the answer to your question "how does a customer choose a programmer on this site and not get caught by an under-coder?" (copied it in full so as not to be sidetracked)

When selecting a programmer:

  • pay attention to the rating only from the position of whether there is one or not. If there is no rating, you will have the opportunity to be the first customer of this programmer, and then you are out of luck. If there is a rating, it should be possible to see who assigned it (a kind of analog of certification). I am sure that there are people in this community whose opinion you listen to and trust.
  • It is important to look at the history of arbitration involving candidates. Arbitration is present in almost all freelance resources, and they value their ideas as much as we do here. Usually the complaints come from the customers, so they determine the level of disclosure as they see fit. By the history of references it is possible to draw a descriptive conclusion about a person, how adequate he/she is in communication on arbitration and how grounded his/her claims/reasons are
  • Read their portfolios. What can be in a portfolio is a separate question. For example, you can include the samples of your own code or links to Codebase and articles, examples of Expert Advisors and/or indicators, demo videos of strategies or their reports, which do not violate copyrights, etc.
But the final choice in favor of a particular programmer must be made after a personal communication.

But even if you pass all these steps, you still have a small, but still there is a possibility that you will run into an incomplete coder. And it is possible that in this case you should consider yourself as a sub-customer - under-inspected, under-explained, underpaid; and the sub-coder you have given your heart-wrenching program to is the best one who could undertake its implementation.

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