Interesting and Humour - page 3719

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:

Once again I am convinced that we lived in different countries:

  • I was in the world's top science and technology country called the USSR, which was the equal of 80% of the world's population
  • and you're either in Honduras or Gabon. It is not clear yet - you are cleverly hiding.

The USSR was not a top science country. Maybe only for the nuclear bomb. And the fact that someone looked up to it - you are so zombified.

You are simply there, in your design department, you have been given an opportunity not to think about anything, not to see the reality, to continue playing as a child in the toys, only in expensive ones, which the whole society has worked for, but in fact you are just a parasite on society. The soviet union had no science, technology and production for society - only the military, while all the manufactured goods were used as a by-product of the military industry.

Wow - advanced country in terms of technology... I remember the Electronica 321 tape recorder... and the Comet 312.

 
Dmitry Fedoseev:

This is the central feature of the mentality - to be kept by the Tsar.

So what's the use of the fact that anyone who wanted to enter and finish? What is the level of education? We have an institute with thousands of students, the largest in the region, a technical one, lectures in mathematics for a flow of 250 people are given by a candidate of mathematical sciences. That's amazing - half the country could find a doctor of mathematics.

You have a simplistic understanding of everything. Firstly, not every doctor will agree to teach, because it is not that interesting a job - to repeat like an ass from year to year the same thing. The pleasure is below average, you have to have a vocation for this work. Personally, I would never agree to do it. Secondly, to know is one thing, but to present this knowledge to students in an easily digestible form is another. And it is not the degree that determines that, but the teaching talent. We also had a female candidate giving lectures in mathematics. She taught in such an accessible way that everything was clear from the fly and I didn't even look at the lecture notes until the session, it was enough to study the lectures and to leaf through the notes a few days before exams. I passed all my maths exams with an A.
 
Dmitry Fedoseev:

The USSR was not a top country in science. Maybe only in the nuclear bomb. And the fact that someone looked up to it - you were so zombified.

You were simply given an opportunity there in your design bureau not to think about anything, not to see reality, to continue playing as a child in toys, only in expensive ones, on which the whole society was plowing, but in fact you were just parasitizing on society.


I pity you, you do not live but suffer...
 
khorosh:
You have a simplistic view of everything. First of all, not every doctor will agree to teach, because it is not such an interesting job - to repeat like an ass from year to year the same thing. The pleasure is below average, you have to have a vocation for this work. Personally, I would never agree to do it. Secondly, to know is one thing, but to present this knowledge to students in an easily digestible form is another. And it is not the degree that determines that, but the teaching talent. We also had a female candidate giving lectures in mathematics. She taught in such an accessible way that everything was clear from the fly and I didn't even look at the lecture notes until the session, it was enough to read the lectures and flip through the notes a few days before exams.


Then at least they would have reduced the size of the flow, at least to 50 people. But a candidate for an audience of 250 people is absurd.

Repeating like an ass is also a theme... Well, they should have written textbooks... but no, in my specialty there were two textbooks for the whole town.

By the way, we had a doctor lecturing in physics. So it's not a question of agreement, it's a question of availability. I don't remember any doctor lecturing in mathematics... there weren't any.

And the most interesting thing is that you're all so educated, everything was so awesome, but when it comes to the case, you're all floating... Fomenko can't multiply two complex numbers.

Education in the USSR was a profanation of education. Specialists from universities went nowhere. The first thing that shone through was a working profession, in which vocational school graduates were many times better at than university graduates, and it was only possible to get a promotion in a few years and if you had a hand in it.

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:

I pity you, you don't live but you suffer...
It's all right now - we don't feed the parasites. But it's you who are suffering - without a tasty trough.
 
khorosh:
Yes, higher education back then was available to anyone who wanted to study, it was another matter that not everyone managed to finish university. In our group, 30 per cent of our students failed by graduation. Nowadays anyone who fails can get good grades, if only they had the money. It is clear what kind of specialists they turn out to be, but many of them become managers afterwards, because it doesn't depend on their knowledge).

The important thing is something else.

1. The conditions of the actual competition were met.

2. Further on, the person moved for the results. If a competitor could be caught patronising, it was a piece of cake to drown him.

3. In technical fields, people with degrees earned the most. The ideal for everybody was to defend their dissertation. Those who succeeded in this were making a very decent living. Hence, there was a widespread desire to get your own topic, develop this topic, publish it, speak at conferences....

This does not and, in principle, cannot happen now. A person's value is determined by the price tag, like on trousers in a shop.

 
СанСаныч Фоменко:

The important thing is something else.

1. The conditions of the actual competition were met.

2. Further on, the person moved for the results. If a competitor could be caught patronising, it was a piece of cake to drown him.

3. In technical fields, people with degrees earned the most. The ideal for everybody was to defend their dissertation. Those who succeeded in this were making a very decent living. Hence, there was a widespread desire to get one's own topic, to develop this topic, publish it, speak at conferences....

This does not and, in principle, cannot happen now. A person's value is determined by the price tag, like on trousers in a shop.


The value of a person is determined by what he or she can accomplish in his or her life. This is where it all falls into place.
 
Dmitry Fedoseev:

Have you still not realised how much Soviet education was disconnected from reality?

It didn't seem that way to me. I was sent by the company and received a scholarship from the company. When I returned there for a pre-diploma internship, I immediately got involved in the work and developed a circuit for one of the electronic units of electronic scales for weighing trains on the move. One went on a business trip for installation and start-up of this block at the metallurgical works in Serov. The diploma was real. And this proves that the training at the university was at a fairly high level.

The only thing I did not like was that in technical university a lot of time was spent on politicized social sciences. There would have been no question about it, if they were humanities specialties, but for technical specialties it was clearly too much. But this time could have been used for a more in-depth study of the speciality and the level of training of graduates would have been higher.

 

Speaking of illusion.

I have a retired neighbour, a former locksmith, but a proud one... he's got seven inventor's certificates. He is an inventor. I have read all his inventions - they are all at the level of a young technician and a game of constructor. It's just that in the Soviet Union there were inventors among workers too. But the man adamantly considers himself an inventor. Maybe the scientists were like that... who knows.

 
khorosh:
It didn't seem that way to me. I was sent by the company and received a scholarship from the company. When I returned there for a pre-diploma internship, I immediately got involved in the work and developed a circuit for one of the electronic units for weighing trains on the move. One went on a business trip for installation and start-up of this block at the metallurgical works in Serov. The diploma was real. And this proves that the training at the university was at a rather high level.

And it didn't look like that to me - I saw it myself.