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Experiencing pain, is that not consciousness? So the reasoning of some here leads to the conclusion that animals do not experience pain. Do you separate pain from consciousness? But it is a reaction, a mental reaction.
Dmitry Fedoseev:
Consciousness- The state of a person's mental life, expressed in the subjective experience of events in the external world and the life of the individual, as well as the account of these events
Mentality- The totality of mental processes and phenomena (sensations, perceptions, emotions, memory, etc.); a specific aspect of the vital activity of animals and humans in their interaction with the environment
In principle, this is how I have described the psyche and consciousness.
I agree with these formulations.
Experiencing pain, is that not consciousness? So the reasoning of some here leads to the conclusion that animals do not experience pain. Do you separate pain from consciousness? But after all, it is a reaction, a mental reaction.
To define Consciousness more clearly and underline the specificity of its essence, I would say that Consciousness is not so much experiencing events of the outer world, as "reading" them. And it is the Psyche that is responsible for experience.
The experience of suffering, as I see it, is undoubtedly a function of the psyche and is generated by Consciousness of a personal attitude to facts. This is where Consciousness plays a role. However, physical pain , is not a part of Consciousness. It is the body's internal reaction to exposure.
True, in evolved beings, pain certainly affects Consciousness and Psyche, inflicting injury of a non-physical nature. In this case, physical pain can cause a mental reaction.
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Pain, however, is physical, not part of Consciousness. It is the body's internal reaction to exposure.
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As animals (according to some) do not have consciousness, so they do not have mental suffering arising from pain. So it turns out.
In principle, this is how I described the psyche and consciousness.
I agree with these formulations.
Generally accepted. By "psyche" you are trying to imagine a system of penalties and rewards,
that's been implemented in the Mo, ha...
As for intelligence and human - both vorovinae have it, and they pass the mirror test
(the test is controversial and many tribal children fail it), but they have a completely different
brain...
Since animals (according to some) have no consciousness, they have no mental anguish arising from pain. So it turns out.
Well, we can only speculate about the experiences of highly evolved animals. Surely they possess the rudiments of psychic activity and perhaps some form of "proto-consciousness". Theoretically, animals can experience mental 'suffering'. But mostly only socialised animal species.
I have stressed that I believe it is the Psyche that is responsible for mental pain, not the Consciousness. They definitely have the rudiments of the psyche. So "mental" suffering is also possible. (This is all very relative and controversial).
Generally accepted.
1. By "psyche" you are trying to present a system of penalties and rewards,
that's been implemented in Mo, ha...
2. As for intelligence and human intelligence, raptors have it too, and they pass the mirror test (the test is controversial and many children pass it).
(the test is controversial and many tribal children fail it), but they have a completely different
brain...
1. I did not say or mean anything of the kind.
2. Read about Alan Turing's test. Modern AI is not even ready to fail it decently.
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On the subject of intelligence and human - both ravens have it, and they pass the mirror test
(the test is controversial and many tribal children fail it), but they have a completely different
brain...
1. I didn't say or mean anything of the sort.
2. Read about Alan Turing's test. Modern AI is not even ready to fail it decently.
There is no modern AI, there is MI - machine "intelligence" and in fact a calculator with a memory.
Psyche - The totality of mental processes and phenomena (sensations, emotions, memory...)
Feelings - sensor readings (signals)
Emotions - pain = 1, no pain = 0.
Memory....
1. There is no modern AI, there is MI - machine "intelligence", but in fact - a calculator with a memory.
2. The psyche - the totality of mental processes and phenomena (sensations, emotions, memory...)
3. feelings - sensor readings (signals)
Emotions - pain = 1, no pain = 0.
Memory....
1. That's what I think. But there are some people who make public hysteria about AI. Modern AI is no more dangerous than a cudgel in the hands of a fool on the high road. It won't do anything by itself to anyone.
2. In principle, you could phrase the point like this.
3. to describe feelings and emotions in a binary code, you have to be a great artist).