What is a trend? - page 17

 
Uladzimir Izerski:

In general everything is correct, except when a corrective wave repeats after a corrective wave, etc.


This would be within (inside) one movement, hence a B wave, i.e., it would all be one correction, which would only have two qualitative types:

1. Correction after correction in the sense of a tapering triangle.

2. Correction after correction in the sense of a sawtooth movement within one wave (A).

Otherwise, it is either breakthrough of A - which is already a trend (provided that the correction is sufficient),
or continuation of A, if the correction is insufficient (one black candle, for example, in the upward movement and all that),
and the breakdown of the base of A is the cancellation of A and its fixation as B big (to the previous movement, which is to the left on the history of the chart)

 
Uladzimir Izerski:

Of course, first of all, we have to determine in which price and time range the trend will be determined. The rest is a matter of technique (algorithm).

The trend properties are the same on the tick chart or on D1 or W1.


B, the range. Waveformers call it the "wave level", in technicians' language it is the TF, in a simple one it is the scale. And the wave pickers have a deeper notion, because their waves can be of the sizes M15 and M20 and H1 and H3, and M1 and M8. And a wave, as we know, is a trend.

Everything revolves around the correlation of these ranges and their strict binding to them. This is something formal, rather than "what the hell, can't you see, the price is going up! Obviously the trend is up".

 

If you are an investor or a tolerant investor, then yes, you need a trend and everything that comes with it - reversals, etc.

If you are a speculator, you don't need a trend - 4-5 multi-directional trades a day, while a trend is something long-term and statistical and has no clear criteria. The only thing you need to assess is the risks of entering in one direction or another. And this is rather 15m TF - what trends are there on 15m? A trend is a prevailing trend). And this is by no means 15m.

 
Yuriy Asaulenko:

If you are an investor or a tolerant investor, then yes, you need a trend and everything that comes with it - reversals, etc.

If you are a speculator, you don't need a trend - 4-5 multi-directional trades a day, while a trend is something long-term and statistical and has no clear criteria. The only thing you need to assess is the risks of entering in one direction or another. And this is rather 15m TF - what trends are there on 15m? A trend is a prevailing trend). And this is by no means 15m.


Patient???

Ahahaha. Norm))

You're talking about the fundamental aspect now, and we're talking about the technical aspect - the ratio of upward and downward moves in chronological order.

Starts with a tick up, that's already a trend (directional non-horizontal movement within the smallest scale). Two ticks up, one tick down and we are already in a correction of 50% D)

But, this is an analysis (division into minimal components and synthesis of everything back, but with the obtained conclusions). Since we can't earn anything on ticks, we're used to working on a larger scale (from M1 already to MN). Ratios, all the same

 
Yuriy Asaulenko:

If you are an investor or a tolerant investor, then yes, you need a trend and everything that comes with it - reversals, etc.

If you are a speculator, you don't need a trend - 4-5 multi-directional trades a day, while a trend is something long-term and statistical and has no clear criteria. The only thing you need to assess is the risks of entering in one direction or another. And this is rather 15m TF - what trends are there on 15m? A trend is a prevailing trend). And this is by no means 15m.

The market is the market, but the bazaar is the cedi.

 
Ivan Butko:

In, the range. The waveologists call it the "wave level", in the language of technicians it is the TF, in simple language it is the scaling. And the wave directors have a deeper notion, because their waves can be of the sizes M15 and M20 and H1 and H3, and M1 and M8. And a wave, as we know, is a trend.

Everything revolves around the correlation of these ranges and their strict binding to them. This is something formal, rather than "what the hell, can't you see, the price is going up! Obviously the trend is up".


Spent a lot of time, and I think for good reason, on identifying waves and trends.

Example. Waves are given by the indicator. Waves come in different lengths. Waves obey its clear rules.

We can see that the lengths have significant deviations.

It is useless to consider the trend without waves.

It is a classic trend in the given price and time range.

 
Ivan Butko:

The tolerant?

Ahahaha. Norm))

You're talking about the fundamental aspect now, and we're talking about the technical aspect - the ratio of upward and downward moves in chronological order.

Starts with a tick up, that's already a trend (directional non-horizontal movement within the smallest scale). Two ticks up, one tick down and we are already in a correction of 50% D)

But, this is an analysis (division into the minimal components and synthesis of everything back, but with the obtained conclusions). Since we can't earn anything on ticks, we're used to working on a larger scale (from M1 already to MN). Ratios, everything is the same.

It's noise. As it started, it will end. Maybe right away, maybe after 20 minutes. But we can make money on noise as well - we determine the dispersion. Further, below it is buying and selling upwards (and vice versa). It works flawlessly with RTS Index. A little external software is needed, for better orientation).
 
Yuriy Asaulenko:
It's noise. Once it starts, it will end. Maybe right away, maybe after 20 minutes. But we can make money on noise as well - we determine the dispersion. Further, at the bottom we take, at the top we sell (and vice versa). It works flawlessly with RTS Index. A little external software is needed, for better orientation).

Not to mislead people, stipulate that the noise should be much greater than the medium + slippage + other stuff. As it is, it's fine.

 
Yuriy Asaulenko:
It's noise. Once it starts, it will end. Maybe immediately, maybe after 20 minutes. But even on noise you can make money - determine the variance. Further, at the bottom we take at the top we sell (and vice versa). It works flawlessly with RTS Index. It needs some external software for better orientation.)

A flat is also a noise.) Open the H1 chart and click several times on the "Zoom in" button. You will see areas where there is horizontal "noise".

Again you are talking about the fundamental aspect, i.e. you are appealing to the driving force. The concept of "noise" is irrelevant to the technique, because a trend on H1 cannot consist of noise, because noise is a horizontal movement.

Hence, noise will end at some point (when the non-farm comes out D), so noise on ticks is technically no different from a flat on minutes, from a sawtooth on H1, because the latter will be noise in relation to W1.

 
Uladzimir Izerski:

Spent a lot of time, and I think for good reason, on identifying waves and trends.

Example. Waves are given by the indicator. Waves come in different lengths. Waves obey its clear rules.

We can see that the lengths have significant deviations.

It is useless to consider the trend without waves.

It is a classic trend in this price and time range.


Can you describe what is on the chart?