What form, let's assume a physical body, does time have? Your opinion. - page 57

 
prikolnyjkent:


Where else am I supposed to go?

After all, if you try to RECOGNIZE the existence of a so-called MATERIAL body, you inevitably have to explain WHERE IT COMES FROM.

And if you look at it closely enough, you'll realize that there isn't even a body...

Maybe we don't exist either? One may come to the point of absurdity. Perhaps, principles of world creation, appearance and existence of mind, autonomous living automatic systems (organisms), presence of perfect logic in their organization and activity and many other things are not things of human mind. Gradually I incline to that, that a life has arisen not on the Earth and only by casual coincidence of circumstances this phenomenon cannot be explained, as we cannot explain why the price depends on time. Probably, it is so convenient for us that it depends on time as we have nothing to oppose it to the full, yet. Probably, it is explained by absence or difficulty to collect necessary information, and with time it is easier - one looked at the clock and here you have all the information in ready form. I think we engage in self-deception, using ready-made time, instead of searching for the real culprit(s) of change. It is possible that time acts as an integral (cumulative) factor, combining all conceivable price-acting factors, of which there could be billions or more. The solution of the problem may be, perhaps, an alternative or compromise option - to find the time of the pricing process itself, for example, by means of Laplace transformations and through it to reach non-linear time. I think the introduction of the concept of "nonlinear time" can help us a lot in a true representation of the dynamics of the process.
 
Boeing747:
well... if we consider a point as a separated vanishingly small volume of space then we can't argue with you. though no... i must disagree. your theory of fixed points of space reminds very much of the theory of ether that moves in the spaces between atoms of the earth and any body of the galaxy... of some fixed substance embracing with geometrically correct web all Universe in relation to which the light can sometimes take fantastic values of velocities...that is the speed of light will directly depend on speed of this light source. are you aware that speed of light or the same parameter change wave is always constant and equal to 300 000 km/sec regardless of choice of coordinate system? i will never agree that space is absolute what you are hinting at...


"...your theory of fixed points of space is very much like the theory of the ether..." - I don't have any theory. I AM SIMPLY STATING THE FACTS. Void is the ONLY physical object that has no problem being allowed to exist, WITHOUT EVER EVER EVOLVING. Fact...? Fact.

"... I will never accept that space is absolutely what you are implying..." - Well then you will have to answer WHERE your.... "REAL" space. For mere Void is absolute (sorry).

 
moskitman:
In such a case, it would be rather difficult to explain the inertia directly depending on the mass and velocity of a non-existent body.


I cannot agree with you. My inertia is explained perfectly ;-)
 
yosuf:
Maybe we don't exist either? This could be taken to the point of absurdity. Perhaps, principles of creation of world, appearance and existence of mind, autonomous living automatic systems (organisms), presence of perfect logic in their organization and activity and many other things are not human mind things. Gradually I incline to that, that a life has arisen not on the Earth and only by casual coincidence of circumstances this phenomenon cannot be explained, as we cannot explain why the price depends on time. Probably, it is so convenient for us that it depends on time as we have nothing to oppose it to the full, yet. Probably, it is explained by absence or difficulty to collect necessary information, and with time it is easier - one looked at the clock and here you have all the information in ready form. I think we engage in self-deception, using ready-made time, instead of searching for the real culprit(s) of change. It is possible that time acts as an integral (cumulative) factor, combining all conceivable price-acting factors, of which there could be billions or more. The solution of the problem may be, perhaps, an alternative or compromise option - to find the time of the pricing process itself, for example, by means of Laplace transformations and through it to reach non-linear time. I think the introduction of the concept of "nonlinear time" can help us a lot in a true representation of the dynamics of the process.


"Maybe we don't exist either...?" - the answer depends on what you mean. We exist and our bodies don't...
 
prikolnyjkent:

"Might we not exist either...?" - the answer depends on what you mean. We exist and our bodies don't...
That's even cooler!
 
According to research by British scientists, the probability that we exist in a "matrix" is 80%.
 
prikolnyjkent:


"...your theory of fixed points of space is very much like the aether theory..." - I don't have any theory. I'M JUST STATING THE FACTS. Void is the ONLY physical object that has no problem being entitled to EXIST WITHOUT EVER EVER EVENTING. Fact...? Fact.

"... I will never accept that space is absolutely what you are implying..." - Well then you will have to answer WHERE your.... "REAL" space. For mere Void is absolute (sorry).


I meant to say that distances as well as time are relative and depend on the speed or reference frame from which distances and time are measured. it is not my idea. it is the basics of albert einstein's special theory of relativity..the only thing absolute in this theory is the speed of electromagnetic waves or the same light. if you want to understand relativity theory or at least get to the bottom of relativity of time and space then there are many books on relativity theory for beginners or
 
yosuf:
That's even cooler!


Do you think this is stupid...?

But then, would you care to explain why you (you personally as a whole,... the whole,... the whole) KNOW that you are currently reading my post, while EVERY single cell of your body, no matter which one you take, KNOWS absolutely nothing about it? How is it that NOT ONE ATOM of your body KNOWS that you are READING, but THE WHOLE YOU KNOW? What the hell is it that a "colony" of INAUDIBLE unicellular organisms behaves like a thinkingyosuf...?

(and you say...).

 
Boeing747:

I meant to say that distances as well as time are relative and depend on the speed of motion or on the frame of reference from which distances and time are measured. I didn't make that up...

Don't mislead yourself. In your theory, what is relative is NOT the SPACE, but the SYSTEM of your coordinates.

And we can speak about relativity of time only after the interlocutors will come to its common definition.

Real time, as "the property of space to propagate perturbation with a CONTINUOUS velocity" cannot be relative...

 
prikolnyjkent:

Don't mislead yourself. In your theory, what is relative is NOT the SPACE, but the SYSTEM of your coordinates.

And we can speak about relativity of time only after the interlocutors have come to a common definition of it.

Real time, as "the property of space to propagate perturbation with a CONTINUOUS velocity", cannot be relative...


I will tell also that this theory does not deny travel in time. however this travel can be made only in one direction in future. if you wish read about twin paradox. it can be found in wikipedia right now. i checked such possibility. besides the mass is relative but it already considered in the general theory of relativity. this theory includes the special theory of relativity as a special case. there also it is explained why for example the clock located at the base of high-rise building ticks slower than the same clock located on a roof e