Paper "AMERO" will replace the dollar by spring!? - page 48

 
FION писал(а) >>

I think you misunderstand the role of the state. I think we have been through this before.

Let's compare the two. Describe, pls, how you understand the role of the state, its essence, aims, methods and functions. Particularly in the conditions of the transition from victorious and rotten socialism to developed capitalism. Yes, the developed capitalism, because we want to have a place in the G8, we want to play on equal terms with the West.

 
I'm bored. It won't do any good. Your neural network is trained on other data...
 
BARS >> :

Is it smart to be a minister, save the money and watch the foreign debt of firms go belly-up?

So that they can pay back the money from abroad... We gave the Stabilization Fund to the West a long time ago. We are left with nothing.

So you'd like Kudrin to be some former gbyshchik who would have left the money lying around? Kudrin is the last smart man in government. They definitely hate him, but they understand that they cannot do without him. He understands that Russia will be in deep shit without him. So he does what little he is allowed to do.

 
FION >> :
Your neural network is trained on other data...

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timbo >> :

So you'd like to see Kudrin replaced by some ex-gbyshchik, who would have let the money go to waste? Kudrin is the last smart man in government. They definitely hate him, but they understand that they cannot do without him. He understands that Russia will be screwed without him. So he does the little he is allowed to do.

Why do they have to go straight to the left?

It is quite possible to use some of the money rationally.

We better pump oil and invest at 1 to 3 percent and take loans at 5 percent or higher.

The same thing, the NATO project, affordable housing, and you do not care that the price of a square meter depends on cement.

So we got just stupid - money in a freeze.

If we do not have money for fear of inflation, we have it inflated at the expense of foreign loans. Those accumulated - understand that this is a pledge of loans that these jackasses took, and now, under the guise of anti-crisis measures, they just pay for the loans (that is, for what they drank).

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Answers.

1. For Kudrin, and for me too, 30 years sounds like "never". I'm not Kudrin, I don't have the courage to look 30 years into the future. But I can, once again, propose my favourite game - "Prove it". The topic is "Ameros will replace the dollar by spring." Spring is in full swing. I'm willing to bet real money, say 100 bucks, that there will be no Amero or world currency by spring or summer. If the dollar does disappear, I pay in rubles at today's rate. Accordingly, anyone who brings another confirmation of Amero's proximity to the forum is obliged to accept my wager. Otherwise, it is a bit awkward, one says what he himself does not believe.

2. As has been noted, Kudrin is not an independent figure in Russian politics. He will not determine anti-crisis policy. If Putin said to give 5-7 billion to his friend in the St Petersburg mayor's office, Kudrin cannot say no. The Russian economy itself is not self-sufficient, the banks got extra liquidity instead of loans to the real sector and invested in dollars. Can anyone imagine a reverse situation, with American banks investing in roubles? AIG gave a few measly percent of the money they received as bonuses and they got trampled. Russian banks left everything to the left. Kudrin is doing the little bit that is in his power - he is saving money into the Stabilization Fund, and doing it well. Here he is almost called the enemy of the people - http://www.ej.ru/?a=note&id=8917 - and rightly so to some extent. If he had more power, perhaps he would act differently, but as for now he is acting within the narrow framework set by Putin, Surkov and Ivanov .

Why did you not quote me as usual? You could have seen my questions and your answers side by side. I would not have answered your post then, it is clear as it is.

1. My question:

How valid and credible do you consider Kudrin's prediction about 30 years ?

Your answer doesn't count, due to a complete lack of anything of substance. On Amero you moved away for nothing, squirming and wagging again. The question was posed directly, and play games with those who believe in amero. I don't think there are any. Is that why you are so brave ?

2. My question:

If you love and trust the States so much and have so much respect for Kudrin, how do you assess the following fact. The Russian financial authorities, in an attempt to reduce the demand for dollars and the outflow of currency from the country, have been pursuing a policy of shrinking the money supply and raising the overnight rate throughout the crisis. This is in total contradiction to the American recipes of filling the economy with free money and lowering the discount rate to revive lending. So why does Kudrin go against his American mentors and continue to be, by your estimation, clever after that? After all, such actions unambiguously hurt the real sector and bring down the economy. And they do not solve the problem of demand for dollars and currency outflows, as life has shown.

I have highlighted what explains your ideas about the sources of Russian financial and economic policy. Sorry, this is more than modest. A person who undertakes to reason about money and economics should know better. Besides, a key man who can only hold the keys to the Stabilization Fund should not open his mouth with thunderous statements.

In fact, Putin is fortunately capable of thinking on the national scale, capable of organising and building, capable of appreciating what has fallen into his hands - Russia. However, he is neither an economist nor a financier, nor a philosopher nor a historian. For that he has a galaxy of American graduates- Kudrin, Shuvalov, and the rest of the chantry. They were taught the model in America and it was even drummed into their heads that it was the best, infallible and crisis-proof, as proven by Nobel Prize winners. They still believe it to this day. And, more importantly and very sadly, they have had their thinking gland beaten off over there in America. Now all they can do is parrot American travesties. They are the ones who make Russian financial and economic policy.

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So, as I had hoped, your answers have clarified the situation and I am quite satisfied. Thanks for cooperation.

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You have answered me, I have accepted your answers with gratitude. My opinion does not coincide with yours and I expressed it as openly. I am not going to convince you of anything. I'm not going to prove you wrong or prove you right. We're just getting to the bottom of this, and that's enough.

 
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I'm bored. It's not gonna do any good. Your neural network is trained on other data...

My neural net is trained, I wanted to make sure yours is...

Well, he's gone, he's gone. :-)

 
Yurixx >> :

Let's compare. Describe, pls, how you understand the role of the state, its essence, aims, methods and functions. Particularly in the context of the transition from victorious and rotten socialism to developed capitalism. It is a developed capitalism, because we are claiming a place in the G8, we want to play on an equal footing with the West.

The question was not for me, but allow me to retort.

It's a pity that the panelists didn't pick up on Figaro's remarks on the subject in the heat of a personality-oriented polemic. I have not tried to find it, but approximately so: white as well as red - there is not a great difference for a man. I agree with him. The state (any form of self-organization and self-regulation of society) is once again in crisis. A change in the formation of the State has always been accompanied by a change in the economic system. Today's economic and financial crisis is a manifestation of a more serious crisis of the world social and political system. And the calls for reconsideration, rethinking, introduction of new rules, reserve or/and international (regional) currencies are but the poking of a blind kitten, of a nascent new global society in search of an adequate social-political formation, a new system of self-government, guaranteeing its survival and (preferably) a hope for further development.

I am not a supporter of the new Utopias and still less of revolutions. But it is regrettable that in our small community the search for the guilty has somewhat shifted the subject area away from the front focus.

There are no culprits. There is no model, no benchmark trajectory for society. And to say which state or governmental figures act rightly or wrongly is only to express a subjective feeling; it is impossible to substantiate and all the more to prove strictly.

 
Fantomas >> :

you're a fucking gibberish-obsessed prick.

You got kangaroos whispering in your australian ear about stealing money?


Back early

 
timbo >> :

So you'd like to see Kudrin replaced by some ex-gbyshchik, who would have let the money go to waste? Kudrin is the last smart man in government. They definitely hate him, but they understand that they cannot do without him. He understands that Russia will be in deep shit without him. So he does what little he is allowed to do.

By the way, also a working option, almost American, only the money would go into the economy (instead of the Stabilization Fund) illegally, but that is a non-economic term.