What do you think of the gold joke? - page 7

 
papaklass:

The state is a repressive apparatus: fiscal structures, law enforcement structures, prisons, the army, finance. The state governs society through fear.

Fear comes in many forms: fear of not getting the job they want, fear of going to prison, fear of losing their property, fear of losing their job, etc., etc. Ordinary members of society do not speak out because they are stupid, they are just afraid of losing something (essential to them). By playing on this fear, the state achieves its goals. Lying to the rulers, is a small part of this repressive policy.

The last part of your post was best expressed by Lenin, who stated, "The state is the worst of evils". And created a state of dictatorship of the proletariat. But he was a dialectician.

The main function of the state is to establish the rules that ensure the peaceful coexistence of human beings within the boundaries of the state. For those who disagree, violate and there is the repressive machine you mention, which enforces some level of enforcement of the rules. The stronger the state, the more clearly the rules are enforced. And fear plays a very small role in enforcing the established rules.

For example.

You take out of your pocket a piece of paper called "money". The state guarantees that this piece of paper can be exchanged for real goods, and the owner of the goods is obligated to accept the piece of paper.

But.

You can sit down and print your own wonderful pieces of paper. The vast majority of citizens do not do this and fear of getting hooked for 10-15 years does not play a role. There are simply plenty of other ways to get the miracle papers called money.

PS.

And what are these wonderful pieces of paper secured with?

In the American one, we believe in God.

On ours?

All papers are based on the belief that the state will enforce the rules it has laid down. And if that faith fades, as it did for us in the 90s? And the dollar? After all, information that futures are multiplying uncontrollably at an unbelievable rate is becoming more and more known! How long will faith in the dollar last?

And so it's not an eye for an eye, but for an eye.

 
sanyooooook:

there has to be something that is valued everywhere and always. Gold fulfils this function perfectly.

It has no value at the initial stage to survive, but it is very valuable for development and trade.

If no one here appreciates gold and does not understand its value and does not know what to do with it.

bring it to me, i will think of something))


There was a time when gold was convenient as money (coins)

but now it no longer meets the needs of business

so now it can only be stored (bullion)

or use it in electronics

or give it as a gift to female human beings

 
papaklass:

The state is a repressive apparatus: fiscal structures, law enforcement structures, prisons, the army, finance. The state governs society through fear.

Fear comes in many forms: fear of not getting the job they want, fear of going to prison, fear of losing their property, fear of losing their job, etc., etc. Ordinary members of society do not speak out because they are stupid, they are just afraid of losing something (essential to them). By playing on this fear, the state achieves its goals. Lying to the rulers is a small part of this repressive policy.

the state is not the same as the state.

as long as the majority benefits from the government's work, all is well

and if government agencies start living their own lives, all is not well.

 
papaklass:

I am driven by my material needs.

But it's fear that limits those needs!

On the contrary, you are driven by fear of being without these material things.

fear of poverty, fear of hunger, fear of illness, fear of death.

There are not many fears, but they are what drive a person.

ZS: if you don't have fears, you can just as easily give it all up.)

 
transcendreamer:

so now it can only be stored (bullion)

Please note that storage of gold for individuals is artificially limited - lots of overheads, inability to sell to third parties, etc.

Here's a good article on investing in gold http://geektimes.ru/post/238247/

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artemiusgreat:

1. roughly nothing :)

2. Sometimes it has the same value as all bubbles - it can be used to throw the "unsophisticated", a historical example of how this is done is given by the example of working with volumes and silver in Tom Williams' book "Market Masters", in the very beginning of the book.

3. I remember, I once sat in a bank on my business, and next to me was sitting a certain citizen, obviously not very wealthy and, apparently, not very smart, joyfully and loudly announced that he wanted to buy a bullion ... because they said on TV that gold will only get more expensive and should diversify ... then gold dropped from 2K USD to 1200... anyway, i felt a little sorry for the poor guy, but not too much :)


there's all this Bretton Woods stuff and stuff... but those who use such arguments usually lack the imagination to answer the questions:

- what if we switch to gold, will we carry sacks around our belts?

- what caused the great depression in u.s. and how to lend development if all the gold is in the hands of a couple of rockefellers :)


IMHO - the future is :

- with self-regulating electronic money like bitcoins

- or "credits", there is no need to change the current financial system, just introduce the concept of negative balance, the one who has a negative balance is richer ... this is more realistic because the powers that be do not want anything self-regulating...




Don't get too worked up, look, all you need is shown in the video. http://vk.com/video51673914_170903382


 

Legi86:

the future is :

- self-regulating electronic money, e.g. bitcoins

- or "credits", you don't even need to change the current financial system, just introduce the concept of a negative balance, whoever has a negative balance is richer ... this is more realistic because the powers that be do not want anything self-regulating

one day they will, but not anytime soon

a global currency would be great for traveling.

 
transcendreamer: One day it will be so, but not for long.

Another utopia? It's not going to happen - "Homo homini lupus est".

Look at YouTube about socialist provinces in China where this model is implemented and people are happy but live like a herd in a stall. And capitalist provinces in China where some people live in slums and spend $1 a day to live.

Transcendreamer:A global currency would be very convenient for travelling.
already invented - a dollar account on the Visa, very convenient and very global ))))
 
IgorM:

Another utopia? There is no such thing - "Homo homini lupus est".

Look at YouTube about socialist provinces in China - they have an implemented model where people are happy but live like a herd in a cage. In capitalist provinces some people live in slums and spend $ 1 per day to live.

already invented - a dollar account on the Visa, very convenient and very global ))))

Before, things like mobile internet and many other things were impossible, butnow it goes without saying,electronic money will come gradually

Visa will be converted to local currency anyway.

 
transcendreamer:

one day it will, but not anytime soon.

A global currency would be very handy for travelling

Let's just say... it's a matter of the next five years. The base is there (blockchain technology) and hundreds of start-ups are developing it hard right now.