The future of the Forex industry - page 48

 
Aleksei Stepanenko:

At this point, it seems you'd be better off agreeing to a draw. Because both Chorosh and Drimmer have sensible points to make. There's just a build up of static electricity that makes it impossible to stop.

Guys, I get it, it's a perpetual motion machine. Now we're going to be fabulously rich!

Khorosh suggesting robbing the rich is not reasonable.

 
vladavd:

We are talking about general principles rather than the personal contribution of a particular individual to a particular event, and it is clear that this contribution will be very small on average, if at all possible due to the complexity of the necessary measures and decisions. Apparently, you got a little tired in the heat of the debate, so you moved to the level of trivial "what have you done". :)

Not at all - I am just showing you that your arguments are not convincing - but if you're already saying that the personal contribution is not so important - then why do you need such patriotism? - just to symbolically wave flags? - So I do not have to bother myself with any commitments either? - then make up your mind whether you need this commitment or not 😆 - it's one or the other here 😁.

Just the fact that the content and pace of the discussion makes it challenging, albeit interesting, to participate in a discussion that takes time and effort.

It makes me think you've run out of substantive arguments after all, well, or you just can't articulate them.

Well, no, of course, profit is a sacred thing :) It's just that you've so emphatically proclaimed the triumph of the new order, and I think it's a bit premature. The U.S. default is there figuratively, purely as a flagship and symbol of modern economics in general, which has run out of markets and nothing better than another redesign of iPhone buttons to support consumer and industrial activity in this situation the current paradigm offers.

Hmmm, rather the opposite, I have already described what is there now, you won't deny the existence of international global companies, multicultural work teams, the ability to move around the world from office to office, even moving entire branches to new jurisdictions, the existence of over/transnational organisations and generally accepted standards of doing business?

And it's not just about super mega-corporations, but also ordinary freelance developers/designers/lawyers/marketers/etc can have relatively easy contact, not even in co-working spaces, but in telegrams and contacts, sitting at home and drinking tea.

The world has already changed, it's all reality, and so far everything looks pretty positive, and I see no reason for it all to collapse, well why should it?

You wrote "the illusion house is wrapped up"? - But it's not, on the contrary, it's all unfolding and blooming.

 
transcendreamer:

Stop suggesting that robbing the rich is not smart.

If an entrepreneur has 10 times the average worker's salary left over for personal consumption, he will live 10 times better than the average worker. And if he wants more, he can create more than one enterprise. If he spends it wisely, he can live well. And excessive spending on luxury goods, super expensive cars which are often broken by their children, spoiled from birth by luxury surrounding them, only corrupt them and after daddy's death they are unable to do anything except squandering their daddy's millions in gambling houses. Don't you understand that excessive wealth corrupts people and destroys their psyche? You can read about the degradation of big bourgeois families in famous works of world literature.

 
khorosh:

If an entrepreneur has 10 times the average salary of his employee left over for personal consumption, he will live 10 times better than the average employee. And if he wants more, he can set up more than one business. If he spends it wisely, he can live well. And excessive spending on luxury goods, super expensive cars which are often broken by their children, spoiled from birth by luxury surrounding them, only corrupt them and after daddy's death they can do nothing but squander their daddy's millions in gambling houses. Don't you understand that excessive wealth corrupts people and destroys their psyche? You can read about the degradation of big bourgeois families in famous works of world literature.

So you're the one who cares that excessive capitalist money doesn't corrupt? 🤣😂😁😀😄🤣 noooo, seriously????


You probably didn't read that post about Plant🏭, there I was explaining that capitalists have higher needs and need more, you can't take away from them.

It is clear that the poor and socialists want to steal Bablos from the capitalists, believing that they (the poor) need it more, but this is wrong, the capitalists will suffer disproportionately if Bablos is taken away from them, In that case there will be instant collapse and integration of all orders of corruptions and they simply cannot stand it, so in fact it is capitalists who need Bablos more than poor people, because capitalists have much higher demands, all this is very serious, you should not joke about it.

 
transcendreamer:

So you're the one who cares that surplus money doesn't corrupt capitalists? 🤣😂😁😀😄🤣 noooo, seriously????


You probably didn't read that post about the Factory🏭, there I was explaining that capitalists have higher needs and need more, you can't take from them.

It is clear that the poor and socialists want to steal Bablos from the capitalists, believing that they (the poor) need it more, but this is wrong, the capitalists will suffer disproportionately if Bablos is taken away from them, then there will be an instant collapse and integration of all orders of corruptions and they simply cannot stand it, so in reality it is capitalists who need Bablos more than poor people, because capitalists have much higher demands, all this is very serious, you cannot joke about it.

I don't deny it. Isn't ten times that noticeable? It is, as the mathematicians say, an order of magnitude higher. It's quite a handsome sum and a reward for entrepreneurial spirit and creativity.

 
khorosh:

I don't deny it. Isn't ten times that noticeable? It is, as the mathematicians say, an order of magnitude higher. It's quite a prize and a reward for enterprise and creativity.

Why can't I get more? For what reason?

Well, apart from the fact that poor socialists get jealous.

 
transcendreamer:

So you're the one who cares that surplus money doesn't corrupt capitalists? 🤣😂😁😀😄🤣 noooo, seriously????


You probably didn't read that post about the Factory🏭, there I was explaining that capitalists have higher needs and need more, you can't take away from them.

However, you have done to Marx what he did to Hegel - turned it upside down) The material relations that form the basis have become only a pale reflection of its eidos - the Factory. It is high time to go back to the roots - to Plato! Aristotle is our friend, but the truth of Plato is dearer! At the same time, as Engels taught in his Anti-Dühring, there is no return to the original position in the repeated negation: "the negation of X is -X, and the negation of -X is already X^2". Indeed, your Plant is not at all Hegelian Absolute Spirit, rather it is even Absolute Soullessness (or Absolute Body). I wonder if we can assume that the Plant is trying to know itself, just as Absolute Spirit was assumed by Hegel to seek self-knowledge...

 
transcendreamer:

Why not anymore? For what reason?

Well, apart from the fact that the poor socialists become fiercely jealous.

Of course the figure of 10 is subjective, it's my opinion. A more objective figure could be determined by a council of expert economists when creating a new law on the subject. With this figure I have simply estimated the entrepreneur's contribution to the production of the product in the enterprise. I believe that on top of this he should also receive a dividend, as the largest shareholder in the company. But there must also be a ceiling, say five times the country's official inflation rate for the money he invested when setting up the company.

 
transcendreamer:

First ontology, axiology, gnoseology andagatology, and only then money!

But you should always start with propaedeutics, and for philosophy it is logic and the history of philosophy. By the way, it would be a good idea to introduce compulsory training in the fundamentals of logic on the forum).

 
transcendreamer:

German school of rhetoric + own practice.

And above-average performance) Or does the neural net help in the trance state?

Good training in speed, ethics of insulting/stalking/disorienting. Rhetoric isn't forgotten either)

Окей, хорошо, возможно я где-то неточно сформулировал.

It's nice, but it's not a big deal.)

Конечно, рынок там будет, и собственно мы хорошо знаем что он был при кастовой и при сословной системе, 
но я говорил о другом, что экономика всегда предшествует правовым системам, на например на Руси вовсю 
торговали и правовой обычай уже был свой, а Русская Правда появилась только в начале 11 века.

No, that's what we're arguing about, customs came first, money later. The tribal and communal system. There were only two acts of payment, a wedding and a funeral. Debt relations were there, money was not there. Money in tribal and communal life is a theory / myth of A. Smith's grandfather, although he was not the first to express it. Money started with taxes / taxes to pay for wars. I am more sympathetic to this theory. It's been proven that tribes didn't have money when researching extant tribes.

Рынок (и через посредство рынка - общество) решает кому дать больше и кто более достойный.

Если мало зарабатываешь - значит делаешь что-то малоценное что мало кому нужно ну или неэффективно работаешь.

Корректировать доходы неэффективных не следует, это понижает конкурентную борьбу, даже внутри небольшой организации.

Представьте что Вы руководитель и у Вас два подчинённых, Вы решаете сколько кому назначить ЗП, 
если сделаете ЗП неэффективного/новичка как у матёрого профессионала, то это будет (1) несправедливо 
к профессионалу, (2) если это станет известно профессионал будет расстроен и в итоге вероятно свалит от Вас.

Кстати очень важно держать ЗП сотрудников в тайне, это моя всем рекомендация если что.

For an enterprise yes. For a state, it's too narrow. It is necessary to keep secret the salaries of very important specialists for the enterprise, caste may be present in the enterprise.)

Если серьёзно то если страна богатая (высокое соотношение совокупного продукта и населения) 
то они могут себе позволить даже бомжей кормить, это их право, но я считаю это скорее вредным, 
демотивирующим воздействием.

Точнее так: можно и нужно поддержать человека в трудной ситуации, но это должно сопровождаться 
специальной программой вовлечения человека (на завод🤣) а не постоянные пособия от которых он 
будет деградировать.

I think that one should educate properly at school, and something may turn out well by the fifth generation. And motivating laws and corrections always correct the current situation and errors in the organization of society).

Конечно он должен страдать! - в этом и смысл! - Вы совершенно точно уловили всю суть метафизического 
архетипического Завода🏭,

The topic of suffering is too big, without it one cannot achieve happiness, and certainly on the subject of happiness from money how many copies are broken) I agree about one thing, demotivation of work for results in larger than MOSH amounts leads to social unrest).

Равным образом значит и на тех же основаниях нельзя указывать капиталистам что они "слишком много" зарабатывают.

Небольшой коммент насчёт слова "должны" : рассматривайте это не как приказ, а как логическую необходимость, 
импликацию, неизбежность.

We are not at odds on that point. Except as with you, there must always be a suffering layer of the marginally useful in society, for motivation and social development, in my state (the target state) all jobs and the marginally useful must also be paid decently. There are enough other topics of life for suffering)

Не вижу прямой связи с обсуждаемым вопросом, капитализм не предполагает разграбления/осквернения могил.

Но если Вы хотите обострить ситуацию, то я предложу Вам намного более тяжёлый выбор в ситуации когда 
корабль тонет, на борту 1000 пассажиров, а в шлюпки поместится только 100.

Что будем делать, капитан?

In your theses it slips out that egoism of an individual is primary, and he should not care about anybody except himself and perhaps those close to him, and those whom he does not know, can not notice and never take part in their lives. Example by your theses.

As a captain, would not act rationally. Would rob the richest, take his friends and crew to the rescue. Somebody's got to work on the boat. What if I don't know any of the passengers?)

In general, I like the other choice, what to do with Raskolnikov, in the form, all his life doing good deeds to grannies, but here's one got to him and he took her life. Is he good or bad and what to do with him after all?

Если дети олигарха не нарушают закон, не ущемляют ничьих прав, то могут делать всё что угодно, впрочем 
это относится ко всем в равной степени.

They breathe our air and are useless. Rationally reduce air consumption by minimising the unhelpful ones)

Я не знаю, это нужно делать монументальное исследование чтобы точно ответить, но соглашусь что 
в период "становления/накопления" нередко бывают незаконные методы, но я думаю что большая часть 
всё же была законными методами приобретена.

Lan, we are on a different plane of discussion) Legitimate for its time. In later times, many early methods of enrichment were considered criminal.

А как Вас лично это задевает? ну есть у Джеффа Безоса $177 млрд ну и что? как это влияет на Вашу личную жизнь?

It is Mr. Ma, and indeed Bezos and Gates, who are also affected. Soon there will be no place for them to live (land a plane more accurately), Ma said. Not me.

I am only concerned about the imperfection of the world and its instability, which can inadvertently hurt. And the times of change are getting on my nerves.)