Martingale is not evil at all, it brings profits - page 7

 
FION:
This is all off-topic. We're talking about the MM on . Martingale was a guy who doubled the bet in the casino after every loss. And then on to the subject...
If, after losing a bet to increase the N-th value (not just doubling) - it is not Martingale? What then?? enlighten me... Plz...
 
kharko:
FION:
This is all off-topic. We're talking about the MM on . Martingale was a guy who doubled the bet in the casino after every loss. FION: And then on to the subject...
If, after losing a bet to increase the N-th value (not just doubling) - it is not Martingale? What then?? enlighten me... Plz...

You should not rely on the loss, but on the probability of movement. The lot size is a function of the accuracy of your trading system. If the probability is 0.5 up or down we do nothing. And if 0.9999999(9) is up we may enter BUY upwards.
 
Prival:
kharko:
FION:
This is all off-topic. We're talking about the MM on . Martingale was a guy who doubled the bet in the casino after every loss. FION: And then we go on to the topic...
If after losing, the bet is increased by Nth value (not only doubling) - it is no longer Martingale??? What then?? enlighten me... Plz...

You should not rely on the loss, but on the probability of movement. The lot size is a function of the accuracy of your trading system. If the probability is 0.5 up or down we do nothing. If it is 0.9999999(9) up we can go all the way in VUY.
When we enter the market we don't know how the trade will end, but if the system gives long series of profits with rare drawdowns, we can assume that the system will be released from the drawdown more quickly after increasing the lot on the next losing trade. Whether to repeat this action or not depends on the stability of the system. You can for example activate an additional trend filter after increasing the lot. The degree of lot increase is another matter...
 
FION:
It is not the loss that counts, but the probability of a move. The lot size is a function of the accuracy of your trading system. If the probability is 0.5 up or down we do nothing. And if 0.9999999(9) is up we can go all the way in VUY.
When we enter the market we don't know how the trade will end, but if the system gives long series of profits with rare drawdowns, we can assume that the system will be released from the drawdown more quickly after increasing the lot on the next losing trade. Whether to repeat this action or not depends on the stability of the system. You can for example activate an additional trend filter after increasing the lot. The degree of increasing the lot is another matter...

Here I see the main difference between this martingale and STOU. The variation of this method is similar to the variation of the previous method with using martingale. Because if, quote your own phrase "When we go into the market, we do not know how the trade will end," then no good will come out with such TS, you don't know every time. But you have to know it, you have to. If you don't know the ford, don't go in the water, that's how it is. Black swans they are, were and will be.
 
You don't understand . We cannot know the future. Based on some of the laws under which the market moves, we can only PREVENT future developments.
 
Of course, FION, only assume. Nevertheless, neither averaging nor martingale (which in fact is almost the same thing, on sober reflection) is a reason to increase risk, even if a synthetically calculated average price is more profitable. Losses should be cut off (any losses - both equity and balance). Full stop.
 
Mathemat:
Of course, FION, only assume. Nevertheless, neither averaging nor martingale (which in fact is almost the same thing, on sober reflection) is a reason to increase risk, even if a synthetically calculated average price is more profitable. Losses should be cut off (any losses - both equity and balance). Full stop.
Right. And you'd better sit on the fence. Safety comes first!
 
Prival:
kharko:
FION:
This is all off-topic. We're talking about the MM on . Martingale was a guy who doubled the bet in the casino after every loss. FION: And then we go on to the topic...
If after losing, the bet is increased by Nth value (not only doubling) - it is no longer Martingale??? What is it then?? enlighten me... Plz...

You should not rely on the loss, but on the probability of movement. The lot size is a function of the accuracy of your trading system. If the probability is 0.5 up or down we do nothing. And if 0.9999999(9) is up we can go all the way in VUY.
Prival is very interesting. I am not a mathematician, but I tried to use Z account and did not get anything useful.
Maybe you have a function or formula in MQL for calculating probability. Using the optimal F is probably too risky in Forex.
 
lovova:

It is not the loss that counts, but the probability of a move. The lot size is a function of the accuracy of your trading system. If the probability is 0.5 up or down we do nothing. And if 0.9999999(9) is up we can go all the way in VUY.
Prival is very interesting, I am not good in maths but I tried to use Z account once and did not get anything useful. I am still interested in
how to calculate the lot size using mathematical methods based on previous trades, maybe you have a function or formula in MQL to calculate the probability. Using the optimal F is probably too risky in Forex.

In general Mathemat is right about profit/loss trades having no memory, like coins, zeriks or pneumatic roulette, so this Z-score is of no practical use. Dispersion can make profits and losses pile up or distribute them evenly. One should take into account direction of movement, but not profit-loss, i.e. if a short trade closed with a loss, for example, put 1 in Z-score, if it is profit, then 0. For long trades it's vice versa, i.e. profit 1, but loss 0. After that examine correlations.


Kudos to Mathemat for pointing me in the right direction.
 
Reshetov:

It is necessary to take into account the direction of movement, but not profit-loss, i.e. if a short trade closed with a loss, for example, to put 1 in Z-score, if it is profit, then 0. For long trades it is vice versa, i.e. profit 1, and loss 0. After that examine correlations.


We only state the direction of the movement after it, i.e. when the movement has already taken place. Whether it will continue or reverse cannot be said... the probability remains 50/50....