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1. at the risk of sounding tactless, I'll add my imho
2. the points 1,2 are very correct, but the TP is not necessary.
the entry conditions may be arbitrary in principle, but if you open near the levels of sub/opra, the probability increases
What's the point? We are having a conversation...
2. I see. Regarding TP - there is an opinion that after the next, for example, 5-th averaging/reversal we should remove TP altogether, we should trawl (variants of filling... :-)) the order (if it is netting), orders (with such serious volumes... :-)) - from the profit level of the whole stack. I mean, for example, you may not reach the base TP of 30 points. And trawl, for example, may take 15 points (or maybe more) at maximum volume...
Here, of course, we've already gone in the direction of anti-martin, avalanches, etc. - Also interesting, but so far not applicable, at least for me.
Still, I'll add more about martin for myself:)
Advantages of hedging martingale:
1. it goes into minus many times slower than a normal martin, I do not remember how slow it is, but the result is attractive.
2. you can use any indicator, although, of course, the drawdown is less if the indicator at least shows 30-40% of entries and above correctly
3. Since any indicator is used, it is theoretically possible to trade both trend and flat, although I must admit that I have not tried a trend yet, it is a little harder to formalize
The disadvantages :
1. on MT5 for a loc we need more tools and hence more margin ... although of course you could go for Robof...x
2. just hedging is not enough, during testing over the past 4 years, the drawdown from 10K was up to 50%, with a smaller depo - plum, because of the lack of margin, so it needs something else, so to speak, a limiter, and then the drawdown can be adjusted
3. i have not yet found out how to increase my profit without increasing the drawdown, and it is not so big so far, but i don't lose :)
To sum up: the idea is worthy, not a grail, but PAMM, for example, on such a thing is possible, although I have understood it after reading the opuses of the famous Alexander on Forex Systems and Alps, in particular the Discussion of pair trading and the grail is found, respectively
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1 What's the point? We're having a conversation...
2. I see. About TP - there is an opinion, that after next, for example, 5-th averaging/reversal we should remove TP altogether, and waste (variants of filling... :-)) the order (if it is netting), the orders (with such serious volumes... :-)) - from the profit level of the whole stack. I mean, for example, you may not reach the base TP of 30 points. And trawl, for example, may take 15 points (or maybe more) at maximum volume...
oh no, you need more points from 50 for sure, otherwise the trawl will be useless
i'm just saying it's my opinion, maybe a robot would be fine.
i once wrote a martingian with 30pts TP=SL
I may be thinking it would be OK to use a robot when I'm marting :)) I've been trying to get the maximal volume allowed by my broker in a very short time))
Here, of course, we've already gone in the direction of anti-martin, avalanches, etc. - Also interesting, but so far not applicable, at least for me.
Still, I'll add more about martin for myself:)
Advantages of hedging martingale:
1. it goes into minus many times slower than a regular martin, I do not remember how slow it is, but the result is attractive.
2. you can use any indicator, although, of course, the drawdown is less if the indicator at least shows 30-40% of entries and above correctly
3. Since any indicator is used, it is theoretically possible to trade both trend and flat, although I must admit that I have not tried a trend yet, it is a little harder to formalize
The disadvantages :
1. on MT5 for a loc we need more tools and hence more margin ... although of course you could go for Robof...x
2. just hedging is not enough, during testing over the past 4 years, the drawdown from 10K was up to 50%, with a smaller depo - plum, because of the lack of margin, so you need something else, let's say a limiter, and then the drawdown can be adjusted
3. i have not figured out yet how to increase my profit without increasing the drawdown, and it is not so big so far, but i don't lose :)
To sum up: the idea is worthy, not a grail, but PAMM, for example, on such a program may be done, although it has come to me after reading the opuses of the famous Alexander on Forex Systems and Alps, in particular the discussion of pair trading and the grail is found, respectively
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By hedging you mean locking orders?
The"grail found" is a mighty topic, several generations of traders have found the grail there ))))
The idea came from watching a fixed lot martingale trade. The price did not correct for a long time, I had to manually open orders in the opposite direction, put S/L to B/S and wait for the price to turn around.
Do you have any ideas for such a robot (fully automated)?
I don't think they have any idea of that. The question is simple: what is the hedge and what kind of martin is used?
I, personally, only saw a lock. If so, you don't have to answer, because it's a dabble, not a trade.
I assume by "hedging" you mean locking orders?
the "grail found" is a mighty topic, several generations of traders have found the grail there ))))
1. in fact, the alpine theme is very obscure and was developed much better on 4 and forex systems, but it will do for a start, everyone should read 1 - 2 thousand pages in various forums to understand the value of information :)
2. in the theme of the grail, many people quickly "found" the grail, but after a month or two again continued to look, so not so many have found it ... More productive discussion in the same alpine theme Forex - the best online casino and a certain Valerman (I do not remember the name of his topic), more specific and less pages, and Alexander was not able to program, and therefore told more
3. I still have trouble with implementation of Alexander and Joker with a selection of odds and series trading, I must develop it in the future :)
4. I have not tried it with one currency, though I haven't tried it with one because RoboFX is not connected to MT5, but two years ago I wrote one indicator and one Expert Advisor on MT4 and discarded it as trash, i can use one pair with different suffixes on MT5, then the lock is ideal, either strongly correlated, with small differences, or a triangle, but they need more margin, but in a triangle the links will not collapse
5. the advantage of a triangle is that the connections are good there, because the cross is usually formed by the BC and it practically does not trade independently, therefore you can take almost any triangle for a loc and several triangles may be formed, but in case of bad dealings the margin will be larger for a triangle
P.S. and i was wrong to call it a martin, it is not necessary there, just a loc is enough
I assume by "hedging" you mean locking orders?
"Grail found" is a mighty topic, several generations of traders have found the grail there ))))
Alexey:
They have been and will continue to be.
To reduce drawdown, you can use virtual order opening.
Suppose between orders 200pp, the first order opens real, when the price passes 200pp and it's time to open the second order, it doesn't open,
The price passes another 200 pips, the third order is to be opened, but it is not opened and T/P is moved as if the second order is opened.
If the price goes in the direction of T/P - the order will be opened, if the price does not correct, the order will be opened virtually.
The drawdown decreases significantly - this is a fact.
T/P should be dynamic - additional profit.
In my opinion, the only problem is the transfer of the lock orders to the B/B.
In my point of view the only problem is the transfer of lock orders to B+O. For that we should use an indicator which is not subject to divergence.
In my opinion, the only problem is the conversion of lock orders to B/S.
To do this, you have to use an indicator which is not subject to divergence.
oh no, you need more points from 50 for sure, otherwise the trawl will be useless
i'm just saying it's my opinion, maybe a robot would be fine.
i once wrote a martingian with 30pts TP=SL
I may have reached the maximum allowed by the broker ))))
:-) I see.
On the TP level. At the next averaging/reversal on larger volumes without TP. I.e. purely as a trawl option from the profits level. I am considering this option at the moment.