Is martin so bad? Or do you have to know how to cook it? - page 55

 

In case of a short trade it makes sense to use Martin - here the drawdown is smaller and there is a possibility to use borrowed funds (I mean replenishment for a short time on credit from the bank :) ).

And dozens of credit cards, to quickly obtain and return the funds :)

If you want a good brokerage company with minimum acquiring charges, the brokerage company must be a resident of the country where the bank with the credit card number is located ...

 
-Aleks-:

In case of a short trade it makes sense to use Martin - here the drawdown is smaller and there is a possibility to use borrowed funds (I mean replenishment for a short time on credit from the bank :) ).

And dozens of credit cards, to quickly obtain and return the funds :)

If you want a good brokerage company with minimum acquiring fees, the brokerage company must be a resident of the country where the bank with the credit card number is located ...

You already have a loan from your broker, forex leverage is up to 1 to 1000, who takes credit for such risks?)
 
zfs:
You already have a loan from your broker, forex leverage is up to 1 to 1000, who takes loans for such risks)...

Whoever uses martin :)

But only in the case of short-term overcrediting makes sense, as keeping a large amount of money in a trading account on a martin is not really sensible, in my opinion.

Another question is how to automate deposit and return to get through decent drawdowns...

 
-Aleks-:

Whoever uses martin :)

But only in the case of short-term overcrediting makes sense, as keeping a large amount of money in a trading account on a martin is not really sensible, in my opinion.

Another question is how to automate deposit and return for decent drawdowns...

If a martin gives, you withdraw the money when it appears, if it does not give, then it is already risky, because the deposit is already the risk threshold. You borrow money from your broker, you already have the leverage.

As I used to say: "I take $100,000 credits and trade currencies with the whole world).

I.e. having a working martin you can open several deposits on several instruments, some of them will drain, others will give a return, so you will be able to limit the risks.

 
zfs:

If a martin gives, you withdraw money when it appears, if it doesn't, it is already risky to refill, because the deposit is already the risk threshold. You borrow money from a broker already on your shoulder.

As I used to say: "I borrow $100,000 and trade currency with the whole world").

I.e. having a working martin you can open several deposits on several instruments, some will drain - others will give a return, so you manage to limit the risks.

In the end all of them will fail, because there is not enough money at the most inappropriate moment.

For example, you can use martin to wait for the trend when trading in a trend, because you know the trend will be - 100%, the only question is when it happens and until the drawdown - to borrow money and at the exit to break-even return them with a margin, thereby saving on interest. For example, credit card loans can be limited to funds in your bank deposit account, which gives a stable interest rate and is a guarantee that you will repay your loan anyway...

 
-Aleks-:

You may use martin, for example, to wait for a trend in a trend trade, because you know the trend will be 100%.

For example, you can use martin to wait for the trend when trend trading, because you know the trend will be - 100%, the only question is when it happens, while the drawdown is - to borrow money and at the exit to breakeven with a margin to return them, thereby saving on interest. Credit cards, for example, can be limited to funds in your bank deposit account, which yields stable interest and is a guarantee that you will repay your loan anyway...

You have to calculate the risks beforehand, so that the expected profit would at least triple the amount of deposit in the tester. If you do not know the difference between the profit and the expected profit, you cannot be a trader, because the market situation changes and the expected trend turns into a prolonged flat.
 

zfs:
Нужно просчитать риски заранее, чтобы ожидаемая прибыль втрое хотя бы покрывала размер депозита на тестере. Мартины разные бывают, есть и такие в которых принципе доливка депозита подразумевается, так как рассчитано на то, что депозит всегда будет в плюсе, но никак не связано с типом движения, потому как можно быть заложником того, что ситуация на рынке сменится и ожидаемый тренд превратится в затяжной флэт. 

That's what you need to borrow for a long flat :)

If maximal drawdown equals the profit, then it's a pittance for such a martin, I wonder about the ratio 1k20 for example in 10 years :)

You can see the profitability of a martin by calculating

Price Lot Opening Bid per lot Profit(-)/Loss(+) from Lots Profit(-)/Loss(+) Deposit Profit from 1$
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
1,00 0 -20 -80 -240 -640 -1600 -3840 -8960 -20480 -35860 51100 0,70
1,10 10 0 -40 -160 -480 -1280 -3200 -7680 -17920 -30750 51100 0,60
1,20 20 20 0 -80 -320 -960 -2560 -6400 -15360 -25640 51100 0,50
1,30 30 40 40 0 -160 -640 -1920 -5120 -12800 -20530 51100 0,40
1,40 40 60 80 80 0 -320 -1280 -3840 -10240 -15420 51100 0,30
1,50 50 80 120 160 160 0 -640 -2560 -7680 -10310 51100 0,20
1,60 60 100 160 240 320 320 0 -1280 -5120 -5200 51100 0,10
1,70 70 120 200 320 480 640 640 0 -2560 -90 51100 0,00
1,80 25,6 25600 80 140 240 400 640 960 1280 1280 0 5020 51100 -0,10
1,70 12,8 12800 70 120 200 320 480 640 640 0 2470 25500 -0,10
1,60 6,4 6400 60 100 160 240 320 320 0 1200 12700 -0,09
1,50 3,2 3200 50 80 120 160 160 0 570 6300 -0,09
1,40 1,6 1600 40 60 80 80 0 260 3100 -0,08
1,30 0,8 800 30 40 40 0 110 1500 -0,07
1,20 0,4 400 20 20 0 40 700 -0,06
1,10 0,2 200 10 0 10 300 -0,03
1,00 0,1 100 0 0 100 0,00
 
-Aleks-:

That's what you need to borrow for a long flat :)

If maximal drawdown equals the profit, then it's a pittance for such a martin, I wonder about the ratio 1k20 for example in 10 years :)

You can see the profitability of a martin by calculating

You look at everything in a narrow sense, focusing on the trend type of market, while the martin is a system of money management, applicable to any trading system, of course if you talk martin-slivator, it's hardly an option for trade).
 
zfs:
You are looking at everything in a narrow sense, focusing on the trend type of market, while the martin itself is a system of money management, applicable to any trading system, of course if you talk martin-slivator, it is hardly an option for trading).

Yes, I like specifics, as I am a practitioner. An example just to be clear... I don't see any management in martin, it's just fatalism bordering on autism. Which just proves that "money to money".

I'm not deeply into martin, but now I'm looking at my calculation and it seems that one move (step to open martin) against the previous one is enough and I'm at breakeven...

 
Clerical:

The statement is rather controversial.

The options for dealing with a negative balance are too limited.

The balance does not affect the freedom of choice in any way. Restrictions are only possible from a lack of free margin.