Is there proof of profit from using Autotrading? - page 7

 
George Merts:
Martingale is all the same. Place a bet either way. That's the whole point of martingale - it's purely an MM strategy that doesn't depend on the symbol. Works on regular roulette too.


1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128+256+512+1024+2048+4096+8192+16384+32768+65536+131072+262144+524288+1048576...

21 moves and the bet will increase to 1,048,576 lots which is equivalent to $1048576 * $100,000 = $104,857,600,000

And the potential win against loss is 1 (one) lot.

 
Комбинатор:
You're bad at maths. The probability of winning $100k on a $32M deposit is just under 99.7% with any betting system.

No, a lot depends on the betting system there.

И... Let's keep it on a first-name basis.

But, I'm willing to admit I'm wrong - can you give me the calculations ?

 
Lilita Bogachkova:


1+2+4+8+16+32+64+128+256+512+1024+2048+4096+8192+16384+32768+65536+131072+262144+524288+1048576...

21 moves and the bet will increase to 1,048,576 lots which is equivalent to $1048576 * $100,000 = $104,857,600,000

And the potential win against loss is 1 (one) lot.

The probability of losing 21 lots in a row is much less than the 10% I mentioned. I specifically stressed - the probability of winning is 90%, not 100%.

But you cite an event that has a probability far less than 1% !

Decide which winning probability you are happy with ? From here the deposit is determined.

 
George Merts:

The probability of losing 21 in a row is much less than the 10% I mentioned. I specifically stated the probability of winning as 90%, not 100%.

You are citing an event that has a probability well below 1% !

Determine what probability of winning you are happy with ? That's how the deposit is determined.


1024 * 100 000 = 102 400 000 $

11 moves is a very high probability to hit a moose in a row.

 
George Merts:

Again, this is the result of a simple martin advisor. If you want 0.9 non-display probability, then a 32M deposit is enough. If you want 0.95 non-display probability, you have to have a deposit of 64M, if you want 0.99 non-display probability, you have to have a deposit of 128M.


... ...or one good head... who knows it's not mature to sit around... and just watch the price going in the wrong direction... and not use it to your advantage...
 
Lilita Bogachkova:


1024 * 100 000 = 102 400 000 $

11 moves is a very high probability of hitting a moose in a row.

And the probability of 11 losses in a row - roughly speaking, is 0.05% !!! Which is also much less than 10% !

 
prikolnyjkent:

... ...or one good head... who'll figure out that it's not mature enough to sit around... and stupidly watch the price go in the wrong direction... and not use that MOTION to your advantage

Well, no. We are sort of looking at "proven profit from using autotrading". That's where the 'head' ends with the last written line of the expert.

And, if we're talking about martin - there's no need for any "movement" here. There is a bet which with roughly equal probabilities can win or lose.

 
George Merts:

And the probability of 11 losses in a row - roughly speaking - is 0.05% !!! Which is also significantly less than 10% !


How is this probability calculated?

For a single lot the TP or SL with a target of $1 would be equal to one pip?

 
Lilita Bogachkova:


How is this probability calculated?

For a single lot, the TP or SL with a target of $1 will equal one pip.

Do not forget about the spread. At least 10 points should be taken, so it does not greatly distort the "balance" TP and SL (they must be equal).

Further - the well-known formulas of statistics, the unit probability of loss, roughly speaking, 0.5.

Let's set probability of loss (0,9) and total amount of bets (100K).

As a result - we get the maximal queue of SL, which with the specified probability will be fixed for the specified number of bets.

The deposit must be larger than this amount.

That's it, the calculation is done.

Some time ago I made calculations, above I gave my values, I do not remember the exact order, for 100K bets and 90% probability of non-failure - we need 32M deposit.

They say I am wrong - it is possible. I am ready to see opponent's calculations, but I don't think their result will be very different.

 

When Korolev was building a rocket, he didn't need proof that it would fly into space, on the contrary, he was told the opposite.

Martin is good, we need more martingaleurs on the market!)), I would prefer all traders to trade only martins, well, you can also trade on averages))). That's the grail, making everyone trade with martins...

I think we should continue to popularize the use of martins