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Reshetov:

It's all nonsense and rubbish.

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The problem with griders is that they are not designed to make money at all. The system is designed in such a way that if you are lucky, the TS will manage to build up the deposit before it loses it. I.e. the principle is similar to that of a petty swindler: if you manage to take it, you should run. If you get lucky, you have to withdraw money before you lose it. Again, if we assume luck, then there is a dilemma, because for griders, the smaller the depot size, the higher the probability of withdrawal:

1. If you withdraw part of the money from the deposit, the deposit will decrease, and therefore the probability of its withdrawal will increase. Correspondingly, the risk of losing the part of the deposit, which is not withdrawn, rises considerably.

2. If one does not withdraw anything, the probability of loss decreases, but it is still high enough to drain the entire deposited amount, and one runs the risk of losing both one's own and the winnings.

3. if you withdraw all the money, the risk becomes zero, but the grader will not "earn" any more.

And so the dummy goes through all three steps from step 1 to step 3, at the end having understood, that it is better not to bet anything on the grider, than to try to get small fortune between losing deposits, because the grider is not initially intended for earning, but only for separate tricks according to luck.


This is all true. But again - on average... :-) with the general approach (as it is)... Roughly like the concept of "average hospital temperature" - no use.

Apparently, there are certain approaches to solving profit-taking on specific instruments, in particular silver, using exactly the ILANOPOOD TS-ku - for example, the star of PAMM accounts - someone IT (Invincible Trader) - manages the averaging (he himself writes on his forum.

For example - a star of PAMM accounts - someone IT (Invisible Trader) - controls the averaging (as he wrote on his forum, and it can be seen on the graph of hourly load of his deposit in real time, as he averages the market entry price, opening the next positions at increased volumes) for two years with a deposit under 2 million euros - quite successfully, but he is greedy for money, putting such an offer for managing the investor accounts. Sits on a PAMM nd, the leverage of 1:100 - it turns out it is possible... :-) That's to the question from someone here about the impossibility to trade such a system with such a low leverage ... :-)

Maybe he is a "countryman" too? :-)

There are people who actively use LAVINO-EXISTING TS: Sergey (the developer of the PAMM account constructor) and Mr. Buffet (participant of one of the club days of the same company) - at least their offers are better... :-)

 
Roman.:

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Here are people who actively use LAVINO-BASED TS: Sergey (PAMM account designer) and Mr. Buffet (participant of one of the club days of the same company) - at least their offers are tastier ... :-)

Roman, by the way, saw on the forum Sergei had a situation when he ran out of deposit? He simply asked investors to inject additional funds. :) And there was a "philanthropist" volunteer. :)
 
tol64:
Roman, by the way, did you see on Sergei's forum how he had a situation where the deposit was insufficient? He simply asked investors to inject additional funds. :) And there was a "philanthropist" volunteer. :)

Yeah. I read his forum too, thanks to your link by the way - thanks. More like volunteers... :-)
 
Roman.:

For example, the star of PAMM accounts - a certain IT (Invisible Trader) - manages the averaging (as he himself writes on his forum, and it can be seen on the graph of hourly load of dep in real time, as he averages the market entry price, opening the next positions with increased volumes) for two years with a dept under 2 million euros - quite successfully,

Without increasing the lot, the money will be lost, unless the risk is significantly reduced. It will last for a while, no doubt.
 
Roman.:

That's all true. But again - on average... :-) with the general approach (as it were)... Roughly like the concept of "average hospital temperature" - no use.

Apparently there are certain approaches to gain profit of trading with concrete instruments, particularly silver, using exactly the ILANOPOUS TS - for example

For example - a star of PAMM accounts - someone IT (Invisible Trader) - controls the averaging (as he wrote himself on his forum, and it can be seen on the graph of hourly load of his deposit in real time, as he averages the market entry price, opening the next positions at increased volumes) for two years with a deposit under 2 million euros - quite successfully, but he is greedy for money, putting such an offer for managing the investor accounts. Sits on a PAMM nd, the leverage of 1:100 - it turns out it is possible... :-) That's to the question from someone here about the impossibility to trade such a system with such a low leverage ... :-)

Maybe he is a "countryman" too? :-)

There are people who actively use LAVINO-EXISTING TS: Sergey (the developer of the PAMM account constructor) and Mr. Buffet (participant of one of the club days of the same company) - at least their offers are better... :-)





I was going to reply to Reshetov too and had similar thoughts, especially about the average temperature, but then, out of respect and knowing what he is like in anger, I decided not to contradict the maestro:).
 
Roman.:

That's all true. But again - on average... :-) with the general approach (as it were)... Roughly, like the concept of "average hospital temperature" - no use.

Apparently there are certain approaches to gain profit of trading with concrete instruments, in particular silver, using exactly the ILANOPOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPSOPS TS.

For example - a star of PAMM accounts - someone IT (Invisible Trader) - controls the averaging (as he wrote on his forum, and it can be seen on the graph of hourly load of his deposit in real time, as he averages the market entry price, opening the next positions at increased volumes) for two years with a deposit under €2 million - quite successfully, but he is greedy for money, putting such an offer for managing the investor accounts. Sits on a PAMM nd, the leverage of 1:100 - it turns out it is possible... :-) That's to the question from someone here about the impossibility to trade such a system with such a low leverage ... :-)

Maybe he is a "countryman" too? :-)

There are people who actively use LAVINO-EXISTING TS: Sergey (the developer of the PAMM account constructor) and Mr. Buffet (participant of one of the club days of the same company) - at least their offers are better... :-)

Some might win at roulette in a casino, and at a slot machine, some might be lucky enough to win. If everyone only lost, no one would play.

But the essence does not change - the system is losing by expected payoff, and therefore brings profit to kitchens and some lucky individuals manage to win as well.

The point is that those who can not count the probabilities, looking at the wins of individual lucky, foolishly decide that they allegedly can "win", if you stick to a "win-win" strategy and start repeating them like monkeys. As a result, the kitchen and some lucky people will win again. Winning the lucky ones will again attract the illiterate rotomaniacs and everything will go again.

The situation is even worse with inlan, because losers prefer not to show their stats, while the lucky ones, as long as the luck is on, try to entice people by showing their winnings. That is why it seems to the rogue players that the system is more advantageous, because negative results are not very visible. That's why losers swarm in like flies on shit and bet on illans.

I'm not saying about the fact that any kitchen can easily draw any stack or PAMM.


You don't need a knife on a greedy man: show him a copper penny and do what you want with it (c) A song by Basilio the Cat and Alice the Fox called "Land of Fools" from The Adventures of Pinocchio.

 
Roman.:

Apparently there are certain approaches to solving profit-taking for specific instruments, particularly silver, using exactly the ILANOPOPOUS TS -


The averaging is not the enemy of the trader, but quite a worthy tool that can improve the TS, and its results. The problems begin when the averaging and other elements of aggressive MM is placed above all. In this case it is just a matter of time and luck/unluck.
 
Figar0:

Averaging is not an enemy of the trader, it is a good tool that can improve TS and its results. The problems begin when this averaging and other elements of aggressive MM are taken as a priority. In this case the failure is simply a question of time and luck/unluck.

The essence of the matter is that martin may be used when TS with fixed lot on forwards gives penny profit at or below the spread, but it does not lose.

For example, if the forward is like this curve:


It is risky, but still possible. I.e. martin will lead such a curve with large drawdowns, but it will give a normal profit.

However everything is much worse with grider, because whatever system of trade signals you may attach to it, it will only spoil it.

 
Reshetov:

It would be risky, but still possible. In other words, martin will make such a curve with large drawdowns, but it will work out into a normal profit.

The matter with gridiron is much worse, because whatever system of trade signals you may attach to it, it will only spoil it.

How would you model the mathematical model of forex, stepping back from probability for now?

By the way, there was a man who had invented a good and popular indicator, but he had only half-way done it having considered only one side of the medal. Although he was not far from the right idea and even wrote books, they say

... It's just to reset the clock.

 
new-rena:

How would you model the mathematical model of forex, stepping back from probability for now?

I have not modelled the forex model as the EA only deals with the instrument on which it trades.

The details will be published in the article. There is no way to deviate from the probabilities because the system calculates the probabilities of trade signals according to the readings of technical indicators.