Neuromongers, don't pass by :) need advice - page 14

 
TheXpert:

No, now there is an urgent need to do another project, neuronics has been put on hold for a while.

The goal is to normalise quotes relative to volatility.


Hello Andrey. Sorry for the long absence. I see that you have obtained quite good results with the echo network. I tried to join the discussion in your topic, but I've found nothing smart to say. I don't know if devolatilization will help you or not (most likely not), but you definitely need normalization of inputs if your network neurons are non-linear. By the way, about non-linearity. It can be set in two ways. (1) The output of a neuron saturates at large inputs tending to -1 or 1 (hyperbolically tangent). (2) The output of a neuron is described by an exponential function with a certain threshold. Most network designers choose the first function. But brain neurons use the second one. I do not know whether it helps you or not.

I myself have stopped believing in price predictors. I think it's a dead end. I'm more interested in buy/sell type classifiers now. Some will argue that it is the same predictor - when it gives a buy signal it predicts that price will go up. It does not matter. The human brain is a classifier, not a predictor. And it uses several neural layers for non-linear transformation of input information. It is this non-linear transformation that interests me more than classification. Classification can be done by perceptron, SVM, kNN, or any other known method.

 
gpwr:

I myself have stopped believing in price predictors. I think it's a dead end. I'm more interested in buy/sell type classifiers now. Some will argue that this is the same predictor - when it gives a buy signal it predicts that price will go up. It does not matter. The human brain is a classifier, not a predictor. And it uses several neural layers for non-linear transformation of input information. It is this non-linear transformation that interests me more than classification. Classification can be done by perceptron, SVM, kNN, or any other known method.

As I understand it, this conclusion is indeed drawn by many on the application of NS.

Here, if someone doesn't have, I'm putting up a very interesting dissertation on this topic, there is a lot of digging over the material.

if you look at the conclusion of the thesis straight away - it was the approach to the network as a classifier of market situations that gave the best approach, and all the others stalled.

People manually classified situations on a training sample and then the NS was trained to recognise these situations, similar to how the NS is trained to recognise images - this gave the best results.

 

I haven't used neural networks yet, but I don't have much faith in predictions.

But if I could estimate the volume of all trades separately for the broker - buy and sell, I think it would be useful ))))