How I paid my taxes... - page 6
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The law does not take into account someone's individual case. You don't sell out... but 95% of them do. So what? They paid tax on profits... but they didn't withdraw money from the account. Then the money was drained. The losses will be big... not only the deposit was drained, but taxes were also paid. In my opinion, pay taxes on money that is essentially in virtual form and do not know that they will actually cashed it calls sharing the skin not killed the bear. I do not know about you in Russia but in Ukraine, until the money is actually cashed, it does not count as profit. The bank only paid taxes for me when it withdrew money from my account. Then they gave back the amount requested, the tax deducted. Yes, and yet ... imagine the situation, the bank is a tax agent ... my deposit has increased, but the money from the deposit, I do not withdraw ... although in fact at the moment there is profit. So the bank is a tax agent, it will withdraw money from my securities account to pay tax? This has never happened in my life. Until the client requests the withdrawal, the bank itself has no right to withdraw money from the securities account... no matter what the profit is. The tax is only deducted when withdrawal is requested. I do not know about FOREX.
I do not know about FOREX. Not about Ukraine either.
About the stock market:
1. broker is a tax agent, i.e. you do not have to worry about it.
2. If I, let's say, by mid-2009, had a profit of 100p and withdraw 50p from the account, the bank account comes not 50p, but 50 - (13% of 100 = 13) = 37p. I.e. when I withdraw, tax is paid on the entire profit for the period.
3. i.e. if till the end of 2009 i lose these 100r, i have right to write to broker (tax agent), to return earlier paid tax and as a result this tax goes on account of payment on future profits.
Taxes are a bit of a nonsense system:
there is a sack of potatoes (self-cost of 1000 c.u.)
Person 1 sells the sack to Person 2 for 1500 c.u. and pays value added tax (20% - 300 c.u.) + income tax (10% - 50 c.u.)
Person 2 sold the sack to Person 3 for 2,000 c.u. and paid value added tax (20% - 400 c.u.) + VAT (10% - 50 c.u.)
etc.
It turns out that from a sack of potatoes, the state will get more tax if there are more middlemen. The tax system profits from middlemen.
About currency speculators. Speculator 1 earned 1,000 c.u., Speculator 2 shed 1,000 c.u. The amount of currency remained unchanged. However, besides commissions to the brokers and spreads to the banks, speculator1 has to pay income tax. Although in reality there is no income, because NOTHING has been produced. The system is extremely lopsided, because Speculator2 does not pay tax. Although, he should have paid them on his income - the tax office would have paid more.
Currency speculation does not produce anything.
P.S. I gave you the car and you gave it back to me immediately. Both will pay tax. Bullshit.
I'll put in my five cents.
If the account is in a DC, or even in Mauritius, it is foolish to pay tax on the account data. It's not income, you don't own it, you can't freely dispose of the money. You cannot buy or sell anything with this money. When the money enters the bank account, there is income.
And the funny thing is, paying taxes voluntarily does not fully exempt you from the tax authorities' claims against you. It even increases their probability. This is me as a highly experienced and repeatedly convicted in absentia for administrative offences with the tax authorities telling you. The claims of tax authorities depend only on their own absurd ideas about taxpayers. Which in general can be said of all authorities.
I personally am not going to pay any more, I have my own reasons.
I don't know about Russia, but in Ukraine there is a decree on currency regulation.
Having accounts abroad without an individual NBU license is not allowed.
This is to the question of Mauritius.
And about taxes from them.
;)
As far as I understand, there are 2 factors required in determining whether a profit has been made:
1 - The fact that you have made a monetary profit from an activity (an increase in your personal bank account)
2 - Details of the organisation that has transferred the income to your bank account. In the long run the tax office must be able to double-check the transfer of funds from that organization to you. This is a banal consequence of the anti-money laundering and counter-terrorism measures that have been in place in the world's financial system for quite some time.
Suppose you declared the profits of such an organisation and paid tax on them. But the tax office cross-checked this information, for example from the annual report of that office and found out that in fact that organization has transferred to you an amount several times smaller. The first obvious suspicion of any taxman is "the man is trying to launder money, referring to miraculous earnings on Forex" - the same scheme used by casinos to launder dirty money. And you will have to talk quite a lot after that and explain in the tax office, if only the tax office will limit everything, because it is possible and subsequent developments.
PS: The work of a mutual fund can be cited for reflection. You bought N units in X year. In X+1 year the value of the unit increased by 5 times, but you decided not to fix the profit. In X+2, the value of the unit decreased compared to the previous year, but it was still 2 times your initial cost. You decided to exchange the units for cash and in doing so you will only pay tax on the profit you had at the time you redeemed them, but in no way on the profit in X+1 year.
In this respect, your forex trading account can be seen as your investment account, but not as your personal bank account, which you can dispose of entirely at your discretion.
I don't know about FOREX. Nor do I know about Ukraine.
About the stock market:
1. the broker is a tax agent, i.e. you don't have to bother.
2. If I, let's say, by mid-2009, had a profit of 100p and withdraw 50p from the account, the bank account comes not 50p, but 50 - (13% of 100 = 13) = 37p. I.e. when I withdraw, tax is paid on the entire profit for the period.
3. i.e. if by the end of 2009 I lose these 100r, I am entitled to apply to my broker (tax agent) for a refund of tax already paid and this tax will be credited against my future profits.
I agree. But if you have a lot of money, it makes sense to go to a firm providing accounting services. Where you will explain how to continue to pay only so writes forexigrok again, but at a rate of 6% or even less as an individual Entrepreneur. To do this, you need to give the office about 3000r (we have it for the year +2000 once at the entrance), and get a new MHI policy. That is all. Nothing more will change from the new status.
What a lot of experts have gathered.
Как много экспертов набежало.
))) Yeah.
And I have nothing to add. As the tax office explained to me, that is how I paid. And I wrote 'how' here.
Would you like a scan of the official answer? Well... We'll have to wait. I'm starting to wonder if I'm... overpaid? )))
Не знаю как в России, но на Украине действует Декрет о валютном регулировании.
Наличие счетов за границей без индивидуальной лицензии НБУ не разрешено.
There' s a light in the window...
;)
Deposits in Mauritius and other dealing houses are not accounts!
Even if you send them to a corporate account at some big forex.com.
Simply put, what's there that's on a webmoney wallet = the same.
I agree. But if you have a lot of money, it makes sense to apply to a company that provides accounting services. Where you will find an explanation of how in the future to pay only so writes forexigrok again, but at a rate of 6% or even more as an individual Entrepreneur. To do this, you need to give the office about 3000r (we have it for the year +2000 once at the entrance), and get a new MHI policy. That is all. Nothing else will change from the new status.
My thoughts on the subject...
And the funny thing is, paying taxes voluntarily does not fully exempt you from the tax office claims against you. It even increases their probability. This is what I, as a person who has been repeatedly convicted of administrative offences in absentia, am telling you. Claims of tax authorities only depend on their own absurd ideas about taxpayers. Which in general can be said of all authorities.
I personally am not going to pay any more, I have my reasons.
The free will...
Only I do not see any reason to complain if, for example, I have accounts in two banks.
One bank is purely for forex and there are no "extra" transactions there at all, and the second one
I can "explain" any transaction, including the entry/withdrawal of webman's VMS.
Let them prove something in court...
:)))