Learning Cycles For New Traders - page 35

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Family Guy:
I think you we should vote to ban this guy from making new usless threads, he doesn't konw what hedging is ? still givining ideas to trade. Newdigital pls ban this guy

How old are you?

 

so lets set the MA expert in Metatrader to do it: 100% of dicipline

we can use author's money.

 

Here are what i did and do

Dan7974:
If are trading Chart Patterns, like Symmetrical, Ascending, a Descending Triangles, Wedges, Flags, then pleases help me. You see....., most of the times, I get a whipsaw! And it kills me! I want to ask You, how do You know if the breakout will be real or false? If You know, how do You trade with chart patterns? Thanks. If You know, I will get the knowledge from You, and I will know that knowledge, and then I can help You even more. Because everybody thinks differnently. Hope this thread will be good.

Cheers.

Dan.

You right dude, there are whipsaws and you will get more on a smaller time frame, here are the things that i mostly do:

1. Try to set your trend line on a bigger time frame, it gives you less false signal. Mostly, i start it with 4H time frame, continue to 30M, and try to entry in 5M time frame, make sure you don't entry against the major trend.

2. For the sideways market, triangled it, and when the range becomes smaller, the pattern becomes narrow, try to use 2 horizontal lines to set the top and the bottom of the sideways condition, then to entry, wait till it breaks one of those line, mostly, i got less false break.

3. Try to use some filters, i am using fibo retracement in order to analyze which level it will breaks or bounces, but, its just prediction, always use your stoplosses, it can determine the wave pattern too, then i'm using fibo expansion to set my target.

4. The key is patient, wait for the very right moment, try to put your SL below or above the trend line in order to anticipate false break or worst it really breaks. And if your SL touched, wait for one or two confirmed wave to put your next entry.

5. Please keep in your mind, always put your SL, it gives you more breath to exist in this business, and gives you more power to gain profit. Stop loss formed is ain't to be touched, but it formed to save your life.

i'm just a newbie next door, pardon me if any of those steps are mistaken, hope my post can help. Good Luck!

 

If you are planning to use classical technical analysis then one thing is for sure...don't look below 4hr Time Frame.

Also have you come across "Autochartist" website. They have a software that does the analysis for you. If you have Forex.com account then it is free. Anyways they have 21 day free trial.

To me personally classical doesn't cut. I am happy with new age technical indicators.

Regards

Evelyn

 
OzFx:
If you are planning to use classical technical analysis then one thing is for sure...don't look below 4hr Time Frame.

Also have you come across "Autochartist" website. They have a software that does the analysis for you. If you have Forex.com account then it is free. Anyways they have 21 day free trial.

To me personally classical doesn't cut. I am happy with new age technical indicators.

Regards

Evelyn

Sure i believe you are right brother, but anyway, as i told you before, i start it with h4 time frame, and if you really know about classical technical analysis, you will got my point why i'm using smaller TF to entry...

CMIW, im just a nubie next door...

Good Luck...

 
nomertigabelas:
You right dude, there are whipsaws and you will get more on a smaller time frame, here are the things that i mostly do:

... Please keep in your mind, always put your SL, it gives you more breath to exist in this business, and gives you more power to gain profit. Stop loss formed is ain't to be touched, but it formed to save your life.

...

Love the way you describe stoplosses.

 
Devil2000:

LEARNING CYCLE FOR NEW TRADERS

Hi folks.

This cycle is as true for trading as it is for learning to drive a car and consists of five components.

I'm going to take you through each stage so you can recognise exactly where you are in your trading journey.

Step One: Unconscious Incompetence.

This is the first step you take when starting to look into trading. you know that its a good way of making money cos you've heard so many things about it and heard of so many millionaires.

Unfortunately, just like when you first desire to drive a car you think it will be easy - after all, how hard can it be?? - price either moves up or down - what's the big secret to that then - lets get cracking!

Unfortunately, just as when you first take your place in front of a steering wheel you find very quickly that you haven't got the first clue about what you're trying to do. you take lots of trades and lots of risks. when you enter a trade it turns against you so you reverse and it turns again .. and again, and again.

you try to turn around your losses by doubling up every time you trade - sometimes you'll get away with it but more often than not you will come away scathed and bruised

Well this is stage one - you are totally oblivious to your incompetence at trading. Stage one can last for a week or two of trading but the market is usually swift and you move onto stage two.

Stage Two - Conscious Incompetence

Stage two is where you realise that there is more work involved in this and that you might actually have to work a few things out.

you consciously realise that you are an incompetent trader - you don't have the skills or the insight to turn a regular profit.

During this phase you will buy systems and e-books galore, read websites based everywhere from Russia to the Ukraine. and begin your search for the holy grail.

During this time you will be a system whore - you will flick from method to method day by day and week by week never sticking with one long enough to actually see if it does work. every time you came upon a new indicator you'll be ecstatic that this is the one that will make all the difference.

you will test out automated systems on Meta-trader, you'll play with moving averages, Fibonacci lines, support & resistance, Pivots, Fractals, Divergence, DMI, ADX, and a hundred other things all in the vein hope that your 'magic system' starts today.

you'll be a top and bottom picker, trying to find the exact point of reversal with your indicators and you'll find yourself chasing losing trades and even adding to them cos you are so sure you are right.

You'll go into the live chat room and see other traders making pips and you want to know why it's not you - you'll ask a million questions, some of which are so dumb that looking back you feel a bit silly.

You'll then reach the point where you think all the ones who are calling pips after pips are liars - they cant be making that amount cos you've studied and you don't make that, you know as much as they do and they must be lying. but they're in there day after day and their account just grows whilst yours falls.

You will be like a teenager - the traders that make money will freely give you advice but you're stubborn and think that you know best - you take no notice and over leverage your account even though everyone says you are mad to - but you know better.

you'll consider following the calls that others make but even then it wont work so you try paying for signals from someone else - they don't work for you either.

This phase can last ages and ages - in fact in reality it can last well over a year - My own period lasted about 18 months.

Eventually you do begin to come out of this phase. You've probably committed more time and money than you ever thought you would, lost 2 or 3 loaded accounts and all but given up maybe 3 or 4 times.

Then comes stage 3

Stage 3 - The Eureka Moment

Towards the end of stage two you begin to realise that it's not the system that is making the difference.

you realise that its actually possible to make money with a simple moving average and nothing else IF you can get your head and money management right

You start to read books on the psychology of trading and identify with the characters portrayed in those books.

Finally comes the eureka moment.

The eureka moment causes a new connection to be made in your brain.

you suddenly realise that neither you, nor anyone else can accurately predict what the market will do in the next ten seconds, never mind the next 20 mins.

You start to work just one system that you mold to your own way of trading, you're starting to get happy and you define your risk threshold.

You start to take every trade that your 'edge' shows has a good probability of winning with.

when the trade turns bad you don't get angry or even because you know in your head that as you couldn't possibly predict it it isn't your fault - as soon as you realise that the trade is bad you close it . The next trade will have higher odds of success cos you know your simple system works.

You have realised in an instant that the trading game is about one thing - consistency of your 'edge' and your discipline to take all the trades no matter what.

You learn about proper money management and leverage - risk of account etc etc - and this time it actually soaks in and you think back to those who advised the same thing a year ago with a smile

you weren't ready then, but you are now.

The eureka moment came the moment that you truly accepted that you cannot predict the market.

Then comes stage four

Stage 4 - Conscious Competence

Ok, now you are making trades whenever your system tells you to.

you take losses just as easily as you take wins

you now let your winners run to their conclusion fully accepting the risk and knowing that your system makes more money than it loses and when you're on a loser you close it swiftly with little pain to your account

You are now at a point where you break even most of the time - day in day out, you will have weeks where you make 100 pips and weeks where you lose 100 pips - generally you are breaking even and not losing money.

you are now conscious of the fact that you are making calls that are generally good and you are getting respect from other traders as you chat the day away.

You still have to work at it and think about your trades but as this continues you begin to make more money than you lose consistently.

you'll start the day on a 20 pip win, take a 35 pip loss and have no feelings that you've given those pips back because you know that it will come back again.

you will now begin to make consistent pips week in and week out 25 pips one week, 50 the next and so on.

this lasts about 6 months

then comes Stage Five

Stage Five - Unconscious Competence

Now were cooking - just like driving a car, every day you get in your seat and trade - you do everything now on an unconscious level.

you are running on autopilot. You start to pick the really big trades and getting 100 pips in a day is becoming quite normal to you.

This is trading utopia - you have mastered your emotions and you are now a trader with a rapidly growing account.

you're a star in the trading chat room and people listen to what you say. you recognise yourself in their questions from about two years ago.

you pass on your advice but you know most of it is futile cos they're teenagers - some of them will get to where you are - some will do it fast and others will be slower - literally dozens and dozens will never get past stage two but a few will.

Trading is no longer exciting - in fact it's probably boring you to bits - like everything in life when you get good at it or do it for your job - it gets boring - you're doing your job and that's that.

You can now say with your head held high "I'm a currency trader"

Nice article..

Good post!

Now i am starting to wonder what stage i am in..

And I agree with you, there are still a lot of things to learn during the process but for sure it will be all worth it..

 

A vote

Hello everyone,

my name is Dan. I used to be Dan7974. Remember me?

I am so sorry for everything I caused.

I want to be a friend of forex-tsd.

A simple vote in this thread will decide if I should stay or go. Just vote, and no arguing. Ok?

 
 

Wouldn't it be interesting if..

Wouldn't it be interesting if..

you can open up a demo or live account and run an EA visual trading, and the EA can just trade according to your history trades. Can someone do that?

THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!!!

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