Big risk, big profit? - page 2

 

The risk must be optimal.

Clearly, if the risk is zero, the profit will be zero with any system. And if the risk is "full-cut", then any system will fail.


In general, Webgopnik, as he should, is engaged in the business of gopniks on the Web - finding web-blocks, and trying to fool them. It would be good to get acquainted with real gopniks first, have a look at their lives, estimate how many of them ended up in the graveyard (poured deposits), and which part leads a miserable existence (not traded, but seeking investors for their miracle gaals).

 
Georgiy Merts:

The risk must be optimal.

Clearly, if the risk is zero, the profit will be zero with any system. And if the risk is "full-cut", then any system will fail.


In general, Webgopnik, as he should, is engaged in the business of gopniks on the Web - finding web-blocks, and trying to fool them. It would be good to get acquainted with real gopniks first, look at their lives, assess how many of them ended up in the graveyard (poslivali deposits), and which part leads a miserable existence (not traded, but seeking investors for their miracle-graals).

I am not looking for suckers and I do not want to fool anyone, you are delusional.

 
If the system is profitable on average, then as risk increases (in the sense of the percentage of deposit at risk in a trade) the absolute profit increases, but the relative profit decreases (in the sense of the ratio of the absolute profit to the absolute value of the capital at risk). This is another argument in favour of diversification.
 
trading_bro:

This is not the case. You risk your resources, at least your time, in any business.

Getting a fix on orders when you are hired is one thing. Although there's always a risk there too. No hire = no $ = the flow has stopped.

I'm paraphrasing to make it clearer:

In the phrase"the greater the risk, the greater the profit. " - it's the opposite, not profit depends on risk, but risk depends on profit (potential profit to begin with). Great risk can be with zero potential profit, but great potential profit cannot be without great risk.

 
Aleksey Mavrin:

I am paraphrasing to make it clearer:

In the phrase"the greater the risk, the greater the profit. "It's the other way round, it's not profit that depends on risk, but risk on profit (potential profit, for starters). Great risk can be with zero potential profit, but great potential profit cannot be without great risk.

The decision to make a big potential profit is primary.

Risk is a consequence, it adjusts to the decision.

Profit depends on risk, that's exactly right.

It can. You lose 8 (stop out 80% from $10), with the potential to gain $100. $8 is not a lot of risk on a decision to potentially get $100. Also, the risk should be mitigated as much as possible, not increased(hedge, diversify, etc). And the potential profit should remain large with minimal risk! The risk should always be reduced and brought to 0. I wrote about it above.

If you decide to get 0 for profit - you don't need the risk at all).

 
webgopnik:   Not at all, I'm not looking for suckers and I'm not trying to fool anyone, you're delusional.

And let's analyse your messages
1. You are asking for a 100,000 roubles investment. You argue that with 100 thousand you will live on the profit. What is the conclusion?
2. You claim to have increased the deposit on the demo account, I think by 8 times.


Look at my post on 2020.12.18 I have an Expert Advisor system, which once increased my demo deposit 2 million times from 100$ to 218 million.
I forget now, but it seems like in one day.
You have no other arguments

 
trading_bro:

The decision to make a bigger potential profit is primary.

Risk is a consequence; it adjusts to the decision.

Profit depends on risk, that's exactly right.

It can. You lose 8 (stop out 80% from $10), with the potential to gain $100. $8 is not a lot of risk on a decision to potentially get $100. Also, the risk should be mitigated as much as possible, not increased(hedge, diversify, etc). And the potential profit should remain large with minimal risk! The risk should always be reduced and brought to 0. I wrote about it above.

If you decide to get 0 for profit - you don't need the risk at all).

What the trader thinks and wants/plans has nothing to do with the calculation of risk/profit.

In order to earn 100 from 10, you need to earn 8 first, i.e. risk=profit. and with each earnings your risk from a particular subsequent decision increases (it's not about distance), and it stays equal to profit.

The profit is hyperbole to point out that no matter how much risk you take, even if the risk is not fully realised, the profit may be close to 0.

 
Konstantin Erin:

And let's analyse your messages
1. You are asking for a 100,000 roubles investment. You argue that with 100 thousand you will live on the profit. What is the conclusion?
2. You claim to have increased the deposit on the demo account, I think by 8 times.


Look at my post on 2020.12.18 I have an Expert Advisor system, which once increased my demo deposit 2 million times from 100$ to 218 million.
I forget now, but it seems like in one day.
You don't have any other arguments.

I don't think it's possible to make that much of a deposit and you've withdrawn?

Why aren't you on the Forbes list?

 
webgopnik i don't think it's possible to make that much of a deposit and you've withdrawn? Why aren't you on the forbes list?

What a joke!!! Can you read? Demo account. I increased it 2 million times. That was a long time ago, like 5 years ago. Now a quick glance at the archives - those reports seem to have been destroyed. There's still some on the forum. The system's still in place. Do you know how to look at someone else's old posts? My posts from December. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there.

When you change your avatar, we'll keep in touch.

 
Konstantin Erin:

What a joke!!! Can you read? Demo account. I increased it 2 million times. That was a long time ago, like 5 years ago. Now a quick glance at the archives - those reports seem to have been destroyed. There's still some on the forum. The system's still in place. Do you know how to look at someone else's old posts? My posts from December. There's a lot of interesting stuff in there.

When you change your avatar, we'll continue to communicate.

If you increased the amount on the demo account, then increase it on the real account.