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Here is an example of the euro dollar today - and its ideal conversion pattern - do you think banks do not know about this? 1 day forecast
at the moment the price is above the red line, but you have a forecast for the next 2-3 days. or am i confusing something?
The banks didn't know about it :(
If we're talking about the currency market = how much money should I have to raise the price by 15 pips ? Take the euro-dollar - flat - how do I crash the euro or the dollar ?
Some people give different answers starting from 1 million to raise the price by 1 point - some say 1 billion - others say so.
I would like your opinion on this - in movies about finance - you often see a guy like Gekko holding prices and dumping them, etc.
Remember when the G7 stepped in to valiantly sell the yen when the Japanese currency was threatening to take out all of Wall Street with its hundreds of billions in wrong way carry trades? Well, it seems that today's bizarre sell off in the dollar was due to that particular plan crashing and burning, with Korea defecting from the pact first, and selling its $7 billion in USD acquired in the process of bailing out Japan. It seems it is fair game to buy the Yen once again. From a trading desk:
Remember - he who defects first and all that jazz...
(and yes, if $7 billion can move the EURUSD by 180 pips, we dread to see what the actual carry unwind instead of just impairment would look like).
If we're talking about the currency market = how much money should I have to raise the price by 15 pips ? Take the euro-dollar - flat - how do I crash the euro or the dollar ?
Some people have different answers, starting from 1 million which raises the price by 1 point - someone says that 1 billion - and the same goes for 1 billion.
I can answer this question for sure, I can see the flow of orders directly. Your question is not correct at all!
You do not even understand the mechanism of price formation - in order to change the price up by 1 tick, you need to proactive buyers (buyers market orders) to buy up the entire offer (all limit sell orders) at the current price level and there must be at least one buyer willing to buy higher by a tick.
Actually the answer to your question is 2 lots of the standard 125000 euros to raise the price per tick on the super illiquid, ie two in order on the ASC stands 1 limit, 1 lot will buy the current price, and the 2nd above the Ask - but the Euro is impossible. London, for example, at the opening, gives ~1500 lots, America ~2000-3000 and the price sometimes does not change, because there is demand/supply at current prices
And the tick flow, in the bottom of the window is the number of lots per tick, the green at Asku (buy). so look at different times - different number of lots needed to move the price
The question is, what will this knowledge give you? Get your pussy in a fight with the banks?)
Why don't you know the basics of pricing? Isn't it because the kitchens are trying?
A better question to ask is why the basics of pricing are unknown to you? Isn't it because the kitchen guys are trying?
Well, at least someone bothered to explain what the price is in a simple and understandable way.
All Runet is flooded with Forex information nonsense, basically reprints of each other, there is not much real information on the forums, any more or less worthwhile information acquires floods and for unknown reasons turns into HTTP 404, thanks to Google cache
As for the real information, it is not much, any more or less valuable information overgrows with floods and for some unknown reason turns into http 404, luckily google cache saves it.
The Exchange is an intermediary - it spreads your orders, and the Broker is a market maker, who puts a spread and often acts as the second party in the transaction, i.e., plays against you, so the truth you do not know!
The kitchens do not benefit from disseminating information about real pricing and trading, for the reason that you can win money from them, which they automatically assume to be theirs upon depositing it into your account. Exactly to win, because forex is a game of cat (big banks, brokers) and mouse (you). A stock exchange is a business, the exchange itself is interested only in a greater number of clients and in training specialists, because the exchange earns on the spread, not on YOU, because behind each your sale is your buy, and you can find out exactly who was the second party to the transaction, the exchange intermediary and liquidity provider when you need it. In Russian there is practically no information and will not be, but there will be odes to autotrading and programming, spectrum analysis and Elliott waves all these theories are nonsense, each is explained elementary from the supply/demand side. By the way the MF myth about banks colluding with each other, etc. that they are pushing prices and controlling the market is also nonsense, the market is being manipulated, but not as stupid and primitive at all. They manipulate it by making false breakdowns. For example, you buy at higher prices, and you are sold at an EXCELLENT high price! and then the sellers' pressure grows and the market goes down, and you become easy prey for the smart money, then everyone thinks that the market will break the bottom, and sells the breakdown, while you buy it back at an EXCELLENT low price, and then the market goes up by 100 points like nothing happened, because you accumulated a long position and you just did not understand it and were caught, but not because the evil banks manipulated the market! When you need to buy 100000 lots, they can not buy even in an hour, so the big guys have to do sawing, to gather the right amount, for this they play against the market - a very vivid example Thursday euro - raising rates, everyone knew they would rise, but the price cannot rise and the big guys and the petty at the same time - this is the law change punched in different directions, the purpose was one to buy everything cheaper and go up!
For example : On the chart you see 2 sides out of 5! Buyers, Sellers by Market, and there are 3 more sides: buyers, sellers by Limit and Spec, Volumes by Price Separate Bid and Ask - these transactions by Market, the glass is a simplified form of pending transactions, and Spec can only be seen indirectly by signs and the exchange translates it all! And Forex brokers tell the blatant lie that you don't need volumes, of course you don't need them, and why do you need to know what the bulk, profs, specs, etc. do, you're not a trader but a supplier of MONEY into the system! The volume is in forex and that's why, in fact the ECN is the interbank and there is all the volumes of transactions and the market and nobody among the Forex brokers gets quotes from specific banks, but in the ECN and before it was the same! Just after the crisis they decided from above to open the gates for petty cash and allowed to connect petty cash to the liquidity system by adding a 5 mark! So the little people can trade microlots in the system directly, but there is a different reality and different rules, i.e. even after getting access to real data, in the vast majority of cases it is easier for a person to give up and consider it a scam than to get to the bottom of it and learn to understand the market.
The Exchange is an intermediary that brings together your orders and the Broker is the market maker, who often puts a spread on the lantern and acts as the other side of the deal, i.e. he plays against you, so you will not know the truth!
The kitchens do not benefit from spreading information about real pricing and trading, for the reason that you can win money from them, which they automatically consider as OWNERS when you deposit it in your account. Exactly to win, because forex is a game of cat (big banks, brokers) and mouse (you). A stock exchange is a business, the exchange itself is interested only in a greater number of clients and in training specialists, because the exchange earns on the spread, not on YOU, because behind each of your sales is your buy, and you can find out exactly who was the second party to the transaction, the exchange intermediary and liquidity provider when you need it. In Russian there is practically no information and will not be, but there will be odes to autotrading and programming, spectrum analysis and Elliott waves all these theories are nonsense, each is explained elementary from the point of view of supply/demand. By the way the MF myth about banks colluding with each other, etc. that they are pushing prices and controlling the market is also nonsense, the market is being manipulated, but not as stupid and primitive at all. They manipulate it by making false breakdowns. For example, you buy at higher prices, and you are sold at an EXCELLENT high price! and then the sellers' pressure grows and the market goes down, and you become easy prey for the smart money, then everyone thinks that the market will break the bottom, and sells the breakdown, while you buy it back at an EXCELLENT low price, and then the market goes up by 100 points like nothing happened, because you accumulated a long position and you just did not understand it and were caught, but not because the evil banks manipulated the market! When you need to buy 100000 lots, they can not buy even in an hour, so the big guys have to do sawing, to gather the required number, for this they play against the market - a very vivid example Thursday euro - raising rates, everyone knew they would rise, but the price can not grow and the big guys and the petty at the same time - this is the law change punched in different directions, the purpose was the same to buy everything cheaper and go up!
For example: On the chart you see 2 sides out of 5! Buyers, Sellers by Market and there are 3 more sides: buyers, sellers by Limit and Spets, separate Bids and Asks - these are deals by Market, the glass is a simplified form of pending deals and Spets can be seen only indirectly by signs and the market broadcasts it all! And forex brokers tell the blatant lie that you don't need volumes, of course you don't need them, why do you need to know what the bulk, profs, specs, etc. do, you're not a trader but a supplier of MONEY in the system! The volume is in forex and that's why, in fact the ECN is the interbank and there is all the volumes of transactions and the market and nobody among the Forex brokers gets quotes from specific banks, but in the ECN and before it was the same! Just after the crisis they decided from above to open the gates for petty cash and allowed to connect petty cash to the liquidity system by adding a 5 mark! So petty cash can trade microlots in the system itself directly, but there is a different reality and different rules, i.e., even after gaining access to real data, in the vast majority of cases it is easier for a person to give up and consider it a scam than to get to the bottom of it and learn to understand the market.
Manipulating the market with your (our) money?
Don't be ridiculous. Shit. When are you going to realise that you don't move the market. That all the big names are your friends telling you where to go.
No! I understand pride. What am I, a lamb?
You're not a lamb! A smart, sensitive member of the financial community.
!I am the king..." No, not him. Just a guy who decided to trade in line.
Yes!. Pickerel waistcoats are something. Bummer. // Bernanke with the beard, Paulson... Eh! What fools.
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Allen Greenspan forwards!!!))!
By the way, friends. There is a difference in Russian. Pride and Pride. And in English? Both are pride. I've even read the Bible in English - no difference.
But there is a difference, isn't there?
I liked this one.